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Mickey666

dekaspace1 said:

These days it seems the bosses more than ever just want staff to be greatful they even have a job, no matter how badly a worker is treated, or how badly they are paid.

T'was ever thus.  That's why it's a good idea to somehow make yourself valuable to the business.  If you have few skills, clock-watch, are inflexible, have a poor attitude etc, then you are probably more trouble than you're worth and easily replaceable.  If you have skills that the business needs, have specialist knowledge that the business relies on, are flexible and willing to put in extra effort when the business needs it etc, then you are valuable to the business and if you're valuable to the business then you're in a better position to negotiate salary, hours, working arrangements etc.  It's not rocket science.

bartelbe

It is something I have noticed, it is no longer enough to simply turn up and do your jobs. You now have to be passionate, committed and enjoy you work. If you commit the sin of not going the extra and other such !!!!!!, you risk a reprogramming session with HR.

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

onylon

bartelbe said:

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

If you are putting in bare minimum why would your employer do any different? Ive always found that its worth while to put in the extra effort so that when there is an opportunity I'm well positioned to grab it. My employer may not be willing to pay extra for the more skilled work but someone else will be one its been on my CV for a bit and it stops me getting bored. Only down side is that I have to keep changing jobs.

Gavin83

bartelbe said:

It is something I have noticed, it is no longer enough to simply turn up and do your jobs. You now have to be passionate, committed and enjoy you work. If you commit the sin of not going the extra and other such !!!!!!, you risk a reprogramming session with HR.

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

Well you can turn up and do your job and this’ll be enough to earn your wage and keep your job. However I don’t think you can turn up to work, do the bare minimum and expect promotions and pay rises.

thegentleway

ushjr said:

bartelbe said:

It is something I have noticed, it is no longer enough to simply turn up and do your jobs. You now have to be passionate, committed and enjoy you work. If you commit the sin of not going the extra and other such !!!!!!, you risk a reprogramming session with HR.

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

That's the worst thing about it. Doing 8 hours of boring tasks is fair enough because that's what you're paid for. Getting passionate and excited about it is ridiculous. There is nothing exciting about sitting at a computer no matter what it is you're doing.

I'm excited to sit at a computer for hours on end; it's part of my job I really enjoy - get into flow states and completely lose track of time. I do mathematical modelling and I also find the application, Li-ion batteries for low carbon transport, exciting as it's making the world a better place to live in. It's great to be passionate and excited about your job, even if it's boring to some people. You've got to do it anyway so you might as well get into it and enjoy it. Life is way more fun that way

Takmon

ushjr said:

That's the worst thing about it. Doing 8 hours of boring tasks is fair enough because that's what you're paid for. Getting passionate and excited about it is ridiculous. There is nothing exciting about sitting at a computer no matter what it is you're doing.

I think your the kind of person who wouldn't really enjoy any job no matter what it was. I've just read your other thread how you were getting anxious about having to work till 6 in a job which says it all really. 

There are loads of exiting things you can do on a computer, that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen made on this forum....

Takmon

ushjr said:

Takmon said:

ushjr said:

That's the worst thing about it. Doing 8 hours of boring tasks is fair enough because that's what you're paid for. Getting passionate and excited about it is ridiculous. There is nothing exciting about sitting at a computer no matter what it is you're doing.

I think your the kind of person who wouldn't really enjoy any job no matter what it was. I've just read your other thread how you were getting anxious about having to work till 6 in a job which says it all really. 

There are loads of exiting things you can do on a computer, that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen made on this forum....

You're probably right, certainly jobs that are sitting at a computer.

What are these exciting things you can do on a computer?

Computers take the fun out of everything. At home the only time I use the computer is for using the internet and that's not exciting really. If I had to pick the highlights of my working life to date they'd all be things that don't involve using a computer.

Well billions of people worldwide will certainly disagree with you that computers take the fun out of everything. 

Well for a start there are computer games obviously and they come in all different types to suit almost everyone. Lots of people say they aren't interested in games which is fair enough but then they sit in front of a TV for hours and hours and surely it's more interesting to play a game and interact with the story too. 

I also have a few hobbies that can't be done without a computer that involve creating things using CAD software and programming electronic circuitry. 
Anyone who has a hobby that involves making things will almost certainly agree they find it exciting when what they have designed and programmed carries out the intended function. 

JCS1

ushjr said:

thegentleway said:

ushjr said:

bartelbe said:

It is something I have noticed, it is no longer enough to simply turn up and do your jobs. You now have to be passionate, committed and enjoy you work. If you commit the sin of not going the extra and other such !!!!!!, you risk a reprogramming session with HR.

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

That's the worst thing about it. Doing 8 hours of boring tasks is fair enough because that's what you're paid for. Getting passionate and excited about it is ridiculous. There is nothing exciting about sitting at a computer no matter what it is you're doing.

I'm excited to sit at a computer for hours on end; it's part of my job I really enjoy - get into flow states and completely lose track of time. I do mathematical modelling and I also find the application, Li-ion batteries for low carbon transport, exciting as it's making the world a better place to live in. It's great to be passionate and excited about your job, even if it's boring to some people. You've got to do it anyway so you might as well get into it and enjoy it. Life is way more fun that way

That does sound boring to me. When I got my first office job I suppose I got excited by the prospect of being paid to sit down, but a couple of hours into it I was bored out of my brains and just wanted to stand up. The most tolerable office job I had was one where I had to go to a different floor to use the scanner every 30 minutes or so. It also motivated me to work fast because I knew the sooner I'd get things done the sooner I could stretch my legs.

Takmon said:

ushjr said:

That's the worst thing about it. Doing 8 hours of boring tasks is fair enough because that's what you're paid for. Getting passionate and excited about it is ridiculous. There is nothing exciting about sitting at a computer no matter what it is you're doing.

I think your the kind of person who wouldn't really enjoy any job no matter what it was. I've just read your other thread how you were getting anxious about having to work till 6 in a job which says it all really. 

There are loads of exiting things you can do on a computer, that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen made on this forum....

You're probably right, certainly jobs that are sitting at a computer.

What are these exciting things you can do on a computer?

Computers take the fun out of everything. At home the only time I use the computer is for using the internet and that's not exciting really. If I had to pick the highlights of my working life to date they'd all be things that don't involve using a computer.

Post on MSE?

Brynsam

bartelbe said:

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

Thank goodness NHS staff were never given similar advice.

Middlestitch

bartelbe said:

It is something I have noticed, it is no longer enough to simply turn up and do your jobs. You now have to be passionate, committed and enjoy you work. If you commit the sin of not going the extra and other such !!!!!!, you risk a reprogramming session with HR.

One of the most useful things I was told by an old supervisor, who happened to be good at her job, is never work for free. I now calibrate my passion and effort to the amount I am paid. Minimum pay means minimum effort and if you want passion and extra mile, I want extra per hour.

That could explain why you've only ever had jobs and never a career.