Nhs retire and return annual leave

lynnvb

I am due to reture and return to nhs 1995 scheme. Going back full time to same job. Have secured same salary. Does anyone know if holiday entitlement starts from scratch or does my 20 year service count and give me additional days. Am having a 24 hr break and on one year new contract.
Thanks

MalMonroe

I also worked for the NHS - for 25 years but retired and didn't return. However, I didn't work consecutively and was allowed to continue my holiday allowance when I returned to the NHS, which I did on two occasions. I was allowed to aggregate my working time and that gave me a great holiday allowance. I'm not sure if it will be the same after retirement but if you're going straight back - more or less - hopefully it could be.

The best people to ask would be those who work in HR where you work. And in my experience, they know absolutely everything!

Manxman_in_exile

Are you able to retire from and then return to the 1995 scheme?  It can't take on new members, can it?

(Well - I'm not saying you can't but it seems counter-intuitive to me... )

JamoLew

Retire and return Impact on benefits:

1995 section Although employees may return to the Trust their employment will not be classed as pensionable employment, i.e. they cannot re-enter the NHS Pension Scheme.

2008 section Employees may join the 2008 NHS Pension Scheme.

2015 section Employees may rejoin this NHS Pension Scheme up to the age of 75 without any limits on years of membership. 

Can I return to full time hours immediately on return?

This will depend on when you actually return to employment with the Trust. The NHS Pension Scheme indicates that for one calendar month and one day following retirement, the employee cannot work more than 16 hours per week but the 14 day break can be taken into account in the one calendar month and one day period. Therefore, if you returned after the [14 day break], you would need to work for no more than 16 hours for one calendar month and one day beginning on the date of your retirement. After, the calendar month and one day, the individual can increase their hours up to full time subject to the agreement of their manager. However, if you took a break of one calendar month and one day from the date of your retirement, you would be able to immediately return to full time hours.

 Will my annual leave entitlement be affected?

As you will have had a break in service you will be entitled to 27 days annual leave per annum as per The Trust’s local Terms & Conditions. 

Not 100% sure this is across the board with all trusts

Manxman_in_exile

JamoLew said:

Retire and return Impact on benefits:

1995 section Although employees may return to the Trust their employment will not be classed as pensionable employment, i.e. they cannot re-enter the NHS Pension Scheme.

....

Not 100% sure this is across the board with all trusts

Do you take the bit in bold to mean that a member retiring under the 1995 scheme cannot be a member of any current NHS scheme if they rejoin the NHS?  That was certainly my understanding, but I wasn't entirely sure if  I was right.  When I retired under the 1995 scheme I'm certain I was told I couldn't rejoin any NHS scheme if I was re-employed.

As it's a national scheme I would expect it to be the same across all trusts.

OP had better do some checking - sharpish!

EDIT:  Maybe they dont expect to accrue any more pension, and are only asking about annual leave?  Seems strange to talk about rejoining the 1995 scheme then...

JamoLew

Manxman_in_exile said:

JamoLew said:

Retire and return Impact on benefits:

1995 section Although employees may return to the Trust their employment will not be classed as pensionable employment, i.e. they cannot re-enter the NHS Pension Scheme.

....

Not 100% sure this is across the board with all trusts

Do you take the bit in bold to mean that a member retiring under the 1995 scheme cannot be a member of any current NHS scheme if they rejoin the NHS?  That was certainly my understanding, but I wasn't entirely sure if  I was right.  When I retired under the 1995 scheme I'm certain I was told I couldn't rejoin any NHS scheme if I was re-employed.

As it's a national scheme I would expect it to be the same across all trusts.

OP had better do some checking - sharpish!

EDIT:  Maybe they dont expect to accrue any more pension, and are only asking about annual leave?  Seems strange to talk about rejoining the 1995 scheme then...

That's definitely how it reads to me as well

Interesting that its only the 1995 scheme which has this clause -- can only think its because this scheme allows earlier retirement with less penalties ??

I suppose the lack of ability to continue to pay into a pension is offset by taking an early reduced pension, keeping full wages without pension deductions -- so they will (should) be considerably better off financially each month.

One thing to check -  top of B6 with 30 years in the 1995 doing this would I think be perilously close to 40% tax rate

** shame I wasn't aware of the ability to remain in the 2008 or 2015 scheme (under retire and remain) when i decided to retain 20+ years in the 1995 scheme back when we were given the choice - although, retire and return is not something I've come across before - glad I have though now **

In the past, I know our trust have always been reluctant to allow such things and have actively stopped people earning more by retiring and working part-time than they would have from working full time (if that makes sense)

getmore4less

When I looked at this with the 1995 scheme if you took advantage of the early  retirement your pension got retentions if you went back full time as earnings +pension were capped until you were 60.