Gas and electric usage a day for large 3 bed semi in East Riding Yorkshire

Missy_Firefly

Hi guys.
We moved to a new larger than average 3 bed semi in August. I say large as in well proportioned rooms with high ceilings built in the 1920's. It has a well insulated extension but the older part of the house is not so great. Energy rating D overall.

We signed up with e.on and all was good paying £90 a month for dual fuel on the Fixed 2 year v9 tarrif.

That's a standing charge for gas of 22.909p daily and 3.245p per kWh used.

For Electric - standing charge 22.22p a day and 16.355p per kWh.

All was fine I thought until we had a smart meter installed and since then, I'm just concerned about what is normal to be spending this time of year in such a house?

The display is saying it's around £5 a day with nearly £7 on a day when we had a dehumidifier going in the loft for a few hours due to loads of condensation on the under felt making the rafters soaked through and water dripping onto everything! 

My other half works from home and uses no heating but occasionally a small fan heater in his office and sometimes the range cooker for his lunch which is induction and full electric. 

When I get home from work at 4pm we've usually used about £1.73 dual fuel but by the end of night it's £4.50 or worse. 

In the evening we put on the central heating from a combi boiler at 4pm and maybe have it on for around 4 hours. A few radiators have no TVR to control temp, which we need to fit and one room without them we are not using yet heating.

Our estimated direct debit is suggested to go up now to £167 a month!

In our old 2 bed mid terrace it never went above £100.

What are you using for each fuel in KW a day currently and what size house so you have?

matelodave

Your prices look a bit steep - I pay 12.5p/kwh for leccy and 15p/day s/c and I know others are paying a lot less than 3p/kwh for gas. You could probably save the best part of £100-£150 if you were on a better tariff.

You should read your meters and do your own sums. Don't rely on the IHD to get an accurate calculation of cost.

Many IHD are pretty inaccurate when it comes to working out the cost of energy. They don't always have the right info programmed in, neither does the gas to kwh conversion always work as it should. 

When my smart meter was trying to do it it was miles out. - not only did it not have the standing charge but it also had the wrong tariff programmed in.

You are like many people who get a smart meter, shocked or surprised by the cost as you now have a better idea of what you are using and spending. Which, TBH is the whole idea behind having them - making people aware to give them an incentive to reduce their consumption.

You should also bear in mind that a large 3 bed semi will use significantly more energy to heat it than a small two bed terrace. It's got a larger roof and three exposed walls so you wont get the benefit from your neighbours heating through the adjacent walls. How does the heating compare, boiler size, no of rads, have you got more windows, what about controls etc. lots of differences which make it difficult to compare

The only way to do a proper comparison is to use consumption in kwh to see how much you used to use compared with how much you using now and take into account that we are now getting to the colder months when you'll be using the majority of your energy.

Gerry1

Stop using a fan heater and make sure any immersion heaters are switched off.

You need to switch to an E.On tariff without an exit fee (I understand you won't be charged the existing exit fee if you switch within E.On).  That's your Get Out Of Jail card: you then need to make a guesstimate of your annual usage (perhaps 18,000kWh for gas and 3300kWh for electricity) and switch away from E.On.  Just compare annual costs and ignore all projections and claims of savings.

Start with Citizens Advice and 'Switch with Which?' and check whether separate suppliers work out cheaper.  Make sure you include Logicor in your electricity comparisons (13.50p per kWh including VAT, no standing charge).

Stop thinking and comparing in ££, think kWh, read the meters at least weekly and keep your own records.

Always check that your bills don't show any estimated readings (your smart meter may be a stupid one that's already gone dumb or will do so) and check that your DD is putting enough into the kitty to pay the bills.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/lower-energy-direct-debits/#whatyoupay

Costa_del_Brid

From one person living in East Yorkshire to another one, I have been Tariff crunching as I am with Yorkshire Energy which has just failed. You need to find your Annual Usage Estimate on your bill and input these into the Citizens Advice Bureau comparison website or the Which website. Its cheaper to use your Gas central heating than use an electric heater.
On the Yorkshire Energy? thread I have listed some companies that have come out as the cheapest in the Yorkshire Area for me and their tariffs have Gas ranging from 1.9p per KWH to 2.7p per KWH for Gas and 10.900p per KWH to 12.7p per KWH for electric. Standing Charges range from 10p per day to 25p per day.
You are on an expensive Tariff and there are plenty of cheaper options out there that will save you money. 

Costa_del_Brid

Further to my previous thread, I have number crunched your tariff against Green Fibonacci fixed 12 month Tariff as an example of what you are paying. I do not suggest, recommend or endorse this company whatsoever. There are cheaper tariffs than this one. 
Your Tariff               Gas 3.245,   22.909  Standing Charge,    Electric  16.355,   Standing Charge   22.22
Green Fibonacci    Gas  2.692,   18.00   Standing Charge,    Electric   10.936,   Standing Charge   24.00

Figures are based on 3500 KWH a year for Electric and 12000 KWH a year for Gas.
Your Tariff E.O.N is £1181.05 a year for using the above energy, dividing by 12 for monthly DD would be £98.42.
Green Fibonacci is £896 a year for using the above energy, dividing by 12 for monthly DD would be £74.66.

Based on my figures of 5800 KWH for Electric and 20000 KWH for Gas. 
Your Tariff E.O.N is £1762.21 a year, divide by 12 for monthly DD would be £146.85
Green Fibonacci  is £1326.01 a year, divde by 12 for monthly DD would be £110.50

I am sure your Energy Use is more than the first example and probably less than mine as no Annual Figure mentioned but I would suggest you have been using a lot more energy than what was initially set up when you started the E.O.N Tariff. You are now paying a higher DD to pay for this extra energy usage. Massive savings out there if you do your own comparison and possibly even pay any exit fees to your Tariff to switch.

E.ON_Company_Representative:_Helena

Hi Missy_Firefly,

Some good advice on the thread as usual, so thank you 

As matelodave has said, it may be worth checking the information from the meters themselves, the In Home Display can be helpful in giving you a guide. We do hear of people who are surprised about how much energy they are using after having a smart meter installed, as it has made them very aware of what's using the energy. Using the monitor to look at where the bulk of the energy is being used, may be helpful, I do suspect it's when you're both home at night using the heating.

I also wouldn't be comparing the two houses, as there are so many differences to take in to account, the main one being that your new house is much larger. I'd recommend to limit use of that electric heater as they can be draining. 

First of all double check that the account is billed up to accurate reads, then have a look at the MiData screen also in your online account, here you'll see your usage in kWh and lot's of other usage information. You can then use this to pop your details in to a comparison site to see how your current tariff stacks up. You can also do a best deal for you quote on your online account, as has been said you can switch from one E.ON tariff to another without picking up an exit fee.

Thank you

Helena

sallysaver

Costa_del_Brid said:

From one person living in East Yorkshire to another one, I have been Tariff crunching as I am with Yorkshire Energy which has just failed. You need to find your Annual Usage Estimate on your bill and input these into the Citizens Advice Bureau comparison website or the Which website. Its cheaper to use your Gas central heating than use an electric heater.
On the Yorkshire Energy? thread I have listed some companies that have come out as the cheapest in the Yorkshire Area for me and their tariffs have Gas ranging from 1.9p per KWH to 2.7p per KWH for Gas and 10.900p per KWH to 12.7p per KWH for electric. Standing Charges range from 10p per day to 25p per day.
You are on an expensive Tariff and there are plenty of cheaper options out there that will save you money. 

I have googled Green Fibonacci energy without success and this is the thread that appears on MSE re Yorkshire Energy.  Would you mind providing the link to the Yorkshire energy  thread showing the comparisons you mention.  Thank you.

Costa_del_Brid

I did my comparisons on 2nd December and as we all know Tariffs are here today and gone tomorrow and Green Fibonacci is one of them .I did it as an exercise to show people the price differences between Dual Fuel and separate Suppliers and not for people to take me as a comparison site.  For up to date Tariff comparisons you will have to do today and then every day. There is no thread as all my examples on Yorkshire Energy? thread will now be out dated and were taken from Citizens Advice Bureau Comparison Site on 2nd December.
On this thread Missy_Firefly asked if she was paying too much and how much KWH people use. Again I showed what she would pay for the two examples showed. This was purely to show what an expensive Tariff she is on. As stated there are cheaper Tariffs out there than Green Fibonacci from other suppliers, all I ask is people do their own Tariff Comparison search as they should know from their bills or smart meters what their Annual estimated Usage is for Gas and Electric.

Gerry1

sallysaver said:

Costa_del_Brid said:

From one person living in East Yorkshire to another one, I have been Tariff crunching as I am with Yorkshire Energy which has just failed. You need to find your Annual Usage Estimate on your bill and input these into the Citizens Advice Bureau comparison website or the Which website. Its cheaper to use your Gas central heating than use an electric heater.
On the Yorkshire Energy? thread I have listed some companies that have come out as the cheapest in the Yorkshire Area for me and their tariffs have Gas ranging from 1.9p per KWH to 2.7p per KWH for Gas and 10.900p per KWH to 12.7p per KWH for electric. Standing Charges range from 10p per day to 25p per day.
You are on an expensive Tariff and there are plenty of cheaper options out there that will save you money. 

I have googled Green Fibonacci energy without success

You didn't try very hard !

https://energysuppliers.energylinx.co.uk/green/

https://green.energy/tariffs#!

The_Fat_Controller

I have a detached and well insulated Wimpey timber framed house in Scotland and only heat one bedroom of three and still use £3 a day in winter, so the OP's £5+ per day does not look unreasonable.
@Missy_Firefly , you'll need to find your kWh usage and go from there.

Costa_del_Brid

The_Fat_Controller I agree that everyone should know their Annual KWH Usage as this is what you pay your money towards in Direct Debits but if you only deal in how much it costs a day or how much you have historically paid in Direct Debits then the horror threads start as their Debit mounts. I'm afraid that the cost of her Tariff is very unreasonable and I would switch ASAP.
@Missy_Firefly Please take heed of what has been said on this thread though do not deal in how much it costs a day . All Tariffs have to begin with an Annual KWH estimate of both Gas and Electric and as I have shown in the two examples I think you have under estimated what you use and are now paying the consequences, you are not the only one to be in this position.