Got 2 Private PCNs for stopping on a road for 1 min to take an urgent call (VCS ltd)

Umkomaas

It's not up to you to disprove

Unless it's an IAS appeal! 😆

Any rebuttal regarding any of these points will be greatly appreciated guys

No matter what rebuttal is submitted - you're on a loser.  No point in expending any effort that has zero prospect of success. 

vitaleducator

nosferatu1001 said:

Oh so it's just a bloody IAS appeal? Why did you say defendant then? Wrong term. You're the appellant. 

The point unkomass was making is you say you don't know who drove, but your first quote says you know who the driver was. They can't both be true. Lying bad mkay 

who cares
its it's 
youll lose. You know you're going to lose
you should point out that as their assumption has been rebutted by a direct statement to the contrary, they need to prove their claim. It's not up to you to disprove 

You are absolutely right but I think the driver (NOT me) may have said that he was driving but in the appeal to IAS I maintained in my statement that I am not sure who the driver was. Not trying to lie at all. Apologies for the confusion caused 

Secondly, I am slightly confused. I thought the driver was the defendant because he is the one who is being accused of something and he has to DEFEND himself? lol 
That is a valid point, thank you for that. I will include that in my rebuttal and post it here, once prepared

vitaleducator

Umkomaas said:

It's not up to you to disprove

Unless it's an IAS appeal! 😆

Any rebuttal regarding any of these points will be greatly appreciated guys

No matter what rebuttal is submitted - you're on a loser.  No point in expending any effort that has zero prospect of success. 

Valid point, so you are saying I should just wait for LBC?

Umkomaas

vitaleducator said:

Umkomaas said:

It's not up to you to disprove

Unless it's an IAS appeal! 😆

Any rebuttal regarding any of these points will be greatly appreciated guys

No matter what rebuttal is submitted - you're on a loser.  No point in expending any effort that has zero prospect of success. 

Valid point, so you are saying I should just wait for LBC?

That would be my position - as I said to you within 13 minutes of you opening your thread!

Your appeal was doomed to fail - they all are. Any IAS appeal will fail similarly. This will need a court hearing to resolve. Most are found in favour of the motorist - there have been a couple VCS - airport stopping cases won in the past couple of days, from memory, one at Southend Airport, the other at Doncaster Airport. Check them out as you will inevitably have to follow a similar path. There is no quick fix (other than a cheque). Prepare for the long haul, probably through to next summer.  

On a side-note, what puzzles me is that there are two separate tickets for two separate events, but for the same mitigating reasons - urgent phone call, 1 minute stop, disabled passenger on board - seems curiously coincidental. A Judge could conclude that there might be a pattern of taking mobile phone calls while in charge of a vehicle. 

Coupon-mad

You are the appellant.  When you lose at IAS, laugh and take it as evidence that it is a kangaroo court that is on its way out next year.

vitaleducator

Umkomaas said:

vitaleducator said:

Umkomaas said:

It's not up to you to disprove

Unless it's an IAS appeal! 😆

Any rebuttal regarding any of these points will be greatly appreciated guys

No matter what rebuttal is submitted - you're on a loser.  No point in expending any effort that has zero prospect of success. 

Valid point, so you are saying I should just wait for LBC?

That would be my position - as I said to you within 13 minutes of you opening your thread!

Your appeal was doomed to fail - they all are. Any IAS appeal will fail similarly. This will need a court hearing to resolve. Most are found in favour of the motorist - there have been a couple VCS - airport stopping cases won in the past couple of days, from memory, one at Southend Airport, the other at Doncaster Airport. Check them out as you will inevitably have to follow a similar path. There is no quick fix (other than a cheque). Prepare for the long haul, probably through to next summer.  

On a side-note, what puzzles me is that there are two separate tickets for two separate events, but for the same mitigating reasons - urgent phone call, 1 minute stop, disabled passenger on board - seems curiously coincidental. A Judge could conclude that there might be a pattern of taking mobile phone calls while in charge of a vehicle. 

By your words, it seems to me that I am fighting a losing battle and it is not worth taking the headache and just pay up?

vitaleducator

Coupon-mad said:

You are the appellant.  When you lose at IAS, laugh and take it as evidence that it is a kangaroo court that is on its way out next year.

haha, you got it! 
Thank you, I will keep that in mind

Umkomaas

vitaleducator said:

Umkomaas said:

vitaleducator said:

Umkomaas said:

It's not up to you to disprove

Unless it's an IAS appeal! 😆

Any rebuttal regarding any of these points will be greatly appreciated guys

No matter what rebuttal is submitted - you're on a loser.  No point in expending any effort that has zero prospect of success. 

Valid point, so you are saying I should just wait for LBC?

That would be my position - as I said to you within 13 minutes of you opening your thread!

Your appeal was doomed to fail - they all are. Any IAS appeal will fail similarly. This will need a court hearing to resolve. Most are found in favour of the motorist - there have been a couple VCS - airport stopping cases won in the past couple of days, from memory, one at Southend Airport, the other at Doncaster Airport. Check them out as you will inevitably have to follow a similar path. There is no quick fix (other than a cheque). Prepare for the long haul, probably through to next summer.  

On a side-note, what puzzles me is that there are two separate tickets for two separate events, but for the same mitigating reasons - urgent phone call, 1 minute stop, disabled passenger on board - seems curiously coincidental. A Judge could conclude that there might be a pattern of taking mobile phone calls while in charge of a vehicle. 

By your words, it seems to me that I am fighting a losing battle and it is not worth taking the headache and just pay up?

You are attempting to put your words into my mouth. If I thought what you are misinterpreting, I would have said so, writ large. What I'm telling you is that you need a strategy to deal with the heads up I have given.  You are being unnecessarily defeatist!

Have you read the two VCS 'stopping' cases I pointed you towards?  Have you been reading other VCS losing cases also reported this week?  

vitaleducator

Umkomaas said:

vitaleducator said:

Umkomaas said:

vitaleducator said:

Umkomaas said:

It's not up to you to disprove

Unless it's an IAS appeal! 😆

Any rebuttal regarding any of these points will be greatly appreciated guys

No matter what rebuttal is submitted - you're on a loser.  No point in expending any effort that has zero prospect of success. 

Valid point, so you are saying I should just wait for LBC?

That would be my position - as I said to you within 13 minutes of you opening your thread!

Your appeal was doomed to fail - they all are. Any IAS appeal will fail similarly. This will need a court hearing to resolve. Most are found in favour of the motorist - there have been a couple VCS - airport stopping cases won in the past couple of days, from memory, one at Southend Airport, the other at Doncaster Airport. Check them out as you will inevitably have to follow a similar path. There is no quick fix (other than a cheque). Prepare for the long haul, probably through to next summer.  

On a side-note, what puzzles me is that there are two separate tickets for two separate events, but for the same mitigating reasons - urgent phone call, 1 minute stop, disabled passenger on board - seems curiously coincidental. A Judge could conclude that there might be a pattern of taking mobile phone calls while in charge of a vehicle. 

By your words, it seems to me that I am fighting a losing battle and it is not worth taking the headache and just pay up?

You are attempting to put your words into my mouth. If I thought what you are misinterpreting, I would have said so, writ large. What I'm telling you is that you need a strategy to deal with the heads up I have given.  You are being unnecessarily defeatist!

Have you read the two VCS 'stopping' cases I pointed you towards?  Have you been reading other VCS losing cases also reported this week?  

I sincerely apologise but I am not well-versed at using this forum properly. I did search "VSC Southend airport" and "VSC Bristol Airport" to find the cases that you are talking about but wasn't successful. 
would you happen to know which exact cases you are referring to or please tell me what to search for exactly? I would really appreciate the correspondence. 

Regards

Coupon-mad

 I did search "VSC Southend airport" and "VSC Bristol Airport" to find the cases that you are talking about but wasn't successful. 

Probably because the company is called VCS, not VSC.  Much simpler is to search for the single word Airport.