Children forgetting how to use knife and fork

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izawa said:

Knife & fork is useless. I long since stopped those and make them use chopsticks. So easy to eat with them.

I never quite mastered eating soup with them. 

ToxicWomble

izawa said:

Knife & fork is useless. I long since stopped those and make them use chopsticks. So easy to eat with them.

Unless it’s soup - but granted, no one mentioned spoons

maman

ToxicWomble said:

Modern lazy parenting - leave If to someone else whilst they are down the ‘spoons Innit

Oh but you did mention spoons!

Shame it was closed. 

mrschaucer

Talk about de-skilling and de-professionalising teachers - are they REALLY supposed to "do" potty training and knife and fork wielding now, as well as everything else?  Children only "regress" back to wearing nappies if the parents are so hopeless that they would rather physically provide nappies for their 5 year olds rather than interact with them.  It's shocking. 

ToxicWomble

maman said:

ToxicWomble said:

Modern lazy parenting - leave If to someone else whilst they are down the ‘spoons Innit

Oh but you did mention spoons!

Shame it was closed. 

I see what you did - 👍 

MovingForwards

@Spendless

He gave it up to have regular hours, a work / life balance and a better income. They (him / partner) started teaching their little ones before sending them off to school and he never said anything about parents being told not to teach the kids before they start formal education.

My OH's sister was teaching her little one to read and write and she has been reading us stories for a while now. The little one has recently turned 4.

It makes no sense to delay teaching. The younger someone is, the easier they learn. They also learn to deal with change from a younger age.

Barny1979

Even more worrying in the article was those children who had regressed back to nappies!

Spendless

MovingForwards said:

@Spendless

He gave it up to have regular hours, a work / life balance and a better income. They (him / partner) started teaching their little ones before sending them off to school and he never said anything about parents being told not to teach the kids before they start formal education.

My OH's sister was teaching her little one to read and write and she has been reading us stories for a while now. The little one has recently turned 4.

It makes no sense to delay teaching. The younger someone is, the easier they learn. They also learn to deal with change from a younger age.

Then it might have been specific to the school mine attended or he might have been unaware if he wasn't teaching the nursery/reception/yr 1 children. 
I remember it though, because the infant school used to have ;nursery days; a year before they started in them and also parents meeting as they were about to go into Nursery or Reception and it came up more than once. 

maman

AFAIK what's been reported is largely about social skills like table manners, practising reading and generally making sure children get enough sleep.

That being said, parents can support learners in all sorts of ways without being actual teachers themselves. Most of the work set (and that available on tv programmes) is designed for children to do independently or with some simple adult support. 

Spendless

maman said:

Spendless said:

Does anyone know how Ofsted measure this? Did they go to the same school just prior and after the first lockdown? 

I believe it was a survey asking for observations from a fairly large  sample of head teachers. 

I have to agree that it is a sad indictment as to how the majority of parents engaged with home schooling. There will be some with mental health issues/illness etc but that won't be the majority.  Even when work was sent home either electronically or as hard copy, many children didn't complete it or even engage with Zoom classes.  There seemed to be constant interviews on news channels with parents who just laughed when asked how home schooling was going. I think many gave it a try, decided it was difficult when their child didn't want to cooperate and then gave up. What really infuriated me was that many journalists were writing articles about their home schooling disasters as if giving in to their children and letting them do what they liked and eat what they liked was a huge joke! 

My 17yo is at an FE college, a good one (not my local!) she did all her classes on Zoom. She's on a performing arts course so not all content could be done this way. They had to put all the written work , which would have been over the 2 year course loaded into it, which then created a problem in September, when they didn't fully go back to face to face classes. Daughter's boyfriend studying 4 A levels at a private school also had all lessons on Zoom just as though he was in the classroom. That's not the stories I was hearing about the local state schools. I din't hear of one doing Zoom classes I saw a comment on a social media group that a teacher's Union had said they weren't to do Zoom due to safe guarding. I've no idea if this is true or not?. My friend told me  school work was emailed over, then when emailed back, there was no feedback even over whether it had arrived or not, let alone marked. I never saw the news stories you did, but that may be because I gave up watching tv at one bit and avoided news, I do remember one though where a Mum said her 2 school aged kids (late Primary I'd say, possibly early Secondary) only had her phone to share between them to do the work. She didn't own anything else. She said  asked the school for help inc hard copies and not received anything.
If I've been greatful of anything re educating in this it's that my 2 are old enough to manage their own work. I'd have hated trying to educate their younger selves, whilst trying to work from home too. My husband who has worked the entire time, would never have been able to do his job, whist over-seeing 2 young kids if he'd been a single parent.