Redundancy before 23rd September

william321

I was made redundant 7 days before 23rd September. Why does the furlough scheme not include people made redundant from  the beginning of September? Nothing for me....

Thrugelmir

That was the date the now defunct Job Retention Scheme was announced.  Because people can be rehired doesn't mean that they will be. 

MattMattMattUK

It is called the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, if the date was too early it would become the Coronavirus Redundancy Delay Scheme, the former makes some economic sense, the latter does not. 

A job that was made redundant in early September or before is long gone and in the second lockdown is going to have no effect on it, it would be redundant whenever the scheme ended, there is not a job to retain, just a redundancy to delay, which is not a sensible use of taxpayer funds.

Grumpy_chap

I understood that you had to have left after 23rd September to be rehired under November furlough.
On TV just now, Martin Lewis said just needed to have been on payroll anytime between 20th April and 23rd September to be rehired and furloughed.
Still at the employer's discretion, but something for the OP to investigate.
I am wary of relying solely on anything just heard quickly on telly.

Jeremy535897

"2.4 Employees re-employed by their employer

Employees that were employed and on the payroll on 23 September 2020 who were made redundant or stopped working for their employer afterwards can be re-employed and claimed for. The employer must have made a PAYE Real Time Information (RTI) submission to HMRC from 20 March 2020 to 23 September 2020, notifying a payment of earnings for those employees.

Similarly, an employee who was on a fixed term contract, on payroll on 23 September, and that contract expired after 23 September can be re-employed and claimed for, provided that the other eligibility criteria are met."

From https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/extension-to-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme/extension-of-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

Thrugelmir

MattMattMattUK said:

A job that was made redundant in early September or before is long gone and in the second lockdown is going to have no effect on it, it would be redundant whenever the scheme ended, there is not a job to retain, just a redundancy to delay, which is not a sensible use of taxpayer funds.

Liability for redundancy ultimately falls on the taxpayer if the employer goes under and is insolvent.  A far greater cost. 

MattMattMattUK

Thrugelmir said:

MattMattMattUK said:

A job that was made redundant in early September or before is long gone and in the second lockdown is going to have no effect on it, it would be redundant whenever the scheme ended, there is not a job to retain, just a redundancy to delay, which is not a sensible use of taxpayer funds.

Liability for redundancy ultimately falls on the taxpayer if the employer goes under and is insolvent.  A far greater cost. 

Which is even more reason to not have an earlier cut off for the redundancy/re-hire date, the redundancy has already been paid, it makes little sense to pay it back, claim taxpayer funds for CJRS then the taxpayer stumped with the redundancy payments as well.