FCOD exempt territories and countries list

epm-84

zagfles said:

pstaylor said:

I still do not believe that I have had a definitive response to my main/initial query.... which is 'Is the exemption list for travel to counties and territories still applicable? Whilst lockdown restrictions are detailed as no international travel, navigating through the government website I end up at a page indicating some countries and territories are exempt from the advice of 'all but essential travel'
The attached hyperlink  below details that ' The FCDO has a global advisory against ‘all but essential’ travel, but exempts destinations that do not pose an unacceptably high risk for British travellers', of which my planned destination is one of them
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel
I am aware that this page was last updated 29th October before Saturdays announcement however I am just after advice/clarification if anyone knows, if not I will hope for further clarification/update on the gov.uk site. If the exemption list is now deemed irrelevant then that is fine at least I will know

No the list isn't irrelavent. You seem to be missing the point that the restrictions coming into force tomorrow are for England, whereas the FCDO advice is for the whole of the UK. TUI for example are still selling holidays from Scotland this month.

It's not as straight forward as that.  Someone from Carlisle could book a package from Glasgow, while someone from Wrexham could book a package from Manchester.  In both cases it would not be within government guidance for people to go on those holidays.  Both the Scottish and Welsh first ministers have made clear that non-essential travel across the border is not permitted.

Although, saying it tomorrow is weekly review date and unfortunately no European country is expected to meet the COVID related thresholds that the FCDO consider safe to travel to, that means other than some Greek islands, Portuguese islands, the Canaries, Gibraltar (because it's part of the UK) and places which won't welcome British holidaymakers e.g. Finland it's likely the FCDO will advise against all travel to Europe.  Anyone planning to travel to Greece should be aware that Greek authorities imposed a full lockdown on Thessaloniki with only 24 hours notice, so with infection rates rising that may happen in other areas as well, while the Canaries are looking at mandatory PCR testing pre-arrival.  Boris might actually be doing English holidaymakers a favour!

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So? Am I missing something?  If a non refundable flight only has been booked and the flight is going ahead then what recourse has a traveler got for a “no show” from airline?  Nothing I would think?   Over to insurance. 

Doesn’t matter what the restrictions are or not from various countries.  If you have booked a non refundable flight to anywhere and the flight goes ahead then you lose the money? Appropriate insurance may take it up in that case but can’t see any airlines refunding if they are operational no matter what advice is. Can you? 

zagfles

epm-84 said:

zagfles said:

pstaylor said:

I still do not believe that I have had a definitive response to my main/initial query.... which is 'Is the exemption list for travel to counties and territories still applicable? Whilst lockdown restrictions are detailed as no international travel, navigating through the government website I end up at a page indicating some countries and territories are exempt from the advice of 'all but essential travel'
The attached hyperlink  below details that ' The FCDO has a global advisory against ‘all but essential’ travel, but exempts destinations that do not pose an unacceptably high risk for British travellers', of which my planned destination is one of them
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel
I am aware that this page was last updated 29th October before Saturdays announcement however I am just after advice/clarification if anyone knows, if not I will hope for further clarification/update on the gov.uk site. If the exemption list is now deemed irrelevant then that is fine at least I will know

No the list isn't irrelavent. You seem to be missing the point that the restrictions coming into force tomorrow are for England, whereas the FCDO advice is for the whole of the UK. TUI for example are still selling holidays from Scotland this month.

It's not as straight forward as that.  Someone from Carlisle could book a package from Glasgow, while someone from Wrexham could book a package from Manchester.  In both cases it would not be within government guidance for people to go on those holidays.  Both the Scottish and Welsh first ministers have made clear that non-essential travel across the border is not permitted.

Yes, and? Did you think I was implying it was OK for people to travel between England and Wales or England and Scotland to get a flight? I was certainly not. Let's take it slowly...

1)  The PP seem to think the FCDO list is irrelavant because of the ENGLAND lockdown tormorrow.

2) The FCDO advice applies to BRITISH travellers.

3) The Scottish and Welsh are British. The English lockdown rules don't apply to the Scottish and Welsh. 

So, if someone who lives in Scotland wants to go on holiday abroad, flying from a Scottish airport, as far as I know they are currently allowed to do that. And they may want to act on FCDO advice, which as it makes clear, is for BRITISH travellers, ie incuding the Scottish. 

So the list doesn't not become irrelavant because of the England lockdown. That was my point.

epm-84

zagfles said:

epm-84 said:

zagfles said:

pstaylor said:

I still do not believe that I have had a definitive response to my main/initial query.... which is 'Is the exemption list for travel to counties and territories still applicable? Whilst lockdown restrictions are detailed as no international travel, navigating through the government website I end up at a page indicating some countries and territories are exempt from the advice of 'all but essential travel'
The attached hyperlink  below details that ' The FCDO has a global advisory against ‘all but essential’ travel, but exempts destinations that do not pose an unacceptably high risk for British travellers', of which my planned destination is one of them
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel
I am aware that this page was last updated 29th October before Saturdays announcement however I am just after advice/clarification if anyone knows, if not I will hope for further clarification/update on the gov.uk site. If the exemption list is now deemed irrelevant then that is fine at least I will know

No the list isn't irrelavent. You seem to be missing the point that the restrictions coming into force tomorrow are for England, whereas the FCDO advice is for the whole of the UK. TUI for example are still selling holidays from Scotland this month.

It's not as straight forward as that.  Someone from Carlisle could book a package from Glasgow, while someone from Wrexham could book a package from Manchester.  In both cases it would not be within government guidance for people to go on those holidays.  Both the Scottish and Welsh first ministers have made clear that non-essential travel across the border is not permitted.

Yes, and? Did you think I was implying it was OK for people to travel between England and Wales or England and Scotland to get a flight? I was certainly not. Let's take it slowly...

Did the government undertake a COVID drug trial where they injected a load of people signed up on this forum with a drug that means they are unable to reply to posts without being rude and obnoxious?

Do you know what the travel plans are for @pstaylor?  If not why are you getting so worked up about me posting further information, that you didn't choose to mention?  You suggested a TUI departure from Scotland, maybe that person asking the question is booked on a TUI departure from Scotland but doesn't live in Scotland, did you think of that?

Considering you want to be patronising and pedantic I'll add that you forgot about Northern Ireland and the FCDO advice is for residents of the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland', the term you'll see on your passport.  With limited direct international flights from Northern Ireland, the Northern Irish often have to travel via either the Republic or England to get to many European destinations.

By the way the FCDO advice has been updated and it's now similar to what it was in mid-March, warning about likely imminent border closures, movement restrictions and quarantine rules.  It's slightly ambiguous though as the Greece page no longer says it's exempt from the advice against non-essential travel but unlike the Italy page it doesn't have information saying the FCDO advise against all but essential travel to the country. 

The FCDO advice does make clear that non-essential international travel is restricted from England, hopefully that mean clauses are triggered for insurance payouts and refunds both where the departure point is in England and where the traveller's home address is in England.

zagfles

epm-84 said:

zagfles said:

epm-84 said:

zagfles said:

pstaylor said:

I still do not believe that I have had a definitive response to my main/initial query.... which is 'Is the exemption list for travel to counties and territories still applicable? Whilst lockdown restrictions are detailed as no international travel, navigating through the government website I end up at a page indicating some countries and territories are exempt from the advice of 'all but essential travel'
The attached hyperlink  below details that ' The FCDO has a global advisory against ‘all but essential’ travel, but exempts destinations that do not pose an unacceptably high risk for British travellers', of which my planned destination is one of them
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel
I am aware that this page was last updated 29th October before Saturdays announcement however I am just after advice/clarification if anyone knows, if not I will hope for further clarification/update on the gov.uk site. If the exemption list is now deemed irrelevant then that is fine at least I will know

No the list isn't irrelavent. You seem to be missing the point that the restrictions coming into force tomorrow are for England, whereas the FCDO advice is for the whole of the UK. TUI for example are still selling holidays from Scotland this month.

It's not as straight forward as that.  Someone from Carlisle could book a package from Glasgow, while someone from Wrexham could book a package from Manchester.  In both cases it would not be within government guidance for people to go on those holidays.  Both the Scottish and Welsh first ministers have made clear that non-essential travel across the border is not permitted.

Yes, and? Did you think I was implying it was OK for people to travel between England and Wales or England and Scotland to get a flight? I was certainly not. Let's take it slowly...

Did the government undertake a COVID drug trial where they injected a load of people signed up on this forum with a drug that means they are unable to reply to posts without being rude and obnoxious?

Do you know what the travel plans are for @pstaylor?  If not why are you getting so worked up about me posting further information, that you didn't choose to mention?  You suggested a TUI departure from Scotland, maybe that person asking the question is booked on a TUI departure from Scotland but doesn't live in Scotland, did you think of that?

Considering you want to be patronising and pedantic I'll add that you forgot about Northern Ireland and the FCDO advice is for residents of the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland', the term you'll see on your passport.  With limited direct international flights from Northern Ireland, the Northern Irish often have to travel via either the Republic or England to get to many European destinations.

By the way the FCDO advice has been updated and it's now similar to what it was in mid-March, warning about likely imminent border closures, movement restrictions and quarantine rules.  It's slightly ambiguous though as the Greece page no longer says it's exempt from the advice against non-essential travel but unlike the Italy page it doesn't have information saying the FCDO advise against all but essential travel to the country. 

The FCDO advice does make clear that non-essential international travel is restricted from England, hopefully that mean clauses are triggered for insurance payouts and refunds both where the departure point is in England and where the traveller's home address is in England.

Sorry, but I thought I was making a blatently obvious point to why you replied "it's not as simple as that". It is. The FCDO advice is UK advice, today's lockdown is England. So it's fine for the FCDO to still have a UK wide "travel corridor" even if restrictions in England mean the English can't use it because of extra English restrictions. It's the English lockdown which stops the English travelling abroad, not FCDO travel advice.

It looks like the FCDO have envisaged similar confusion where people don't understand the difference between the UK and England, so they've updated the page to highlight the English restrictions, then instead of the travel corridor list, a rather vague "The FCDO currently advises against all but essential travel to many countries and territories on the basis of COVID risks". Then they mention the advice against "all but essential travel" in the country specific sections where relevant, so countries like Italy, France etc have the advice against all but essential travel but countries like Greece don't.