Green and Ethical Food 15 October 2020 at 10:14AM in Green & ethical MoneySaving 54 replies 955 views

EricMears

Pile_o_stone said:

I can imagine that all sorts of unapproved methods of killing animals take place in abattoirs, though some of the approved ones aren't so great. 

I can imagine getting a huge win on the lottery or premium bonds.  Alas,  it hasn't happened yet.

Pile_o_stone

EricMears said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I can imagine that all sorts of unapproved methods of killing animals take place in abattoirs, though some of the approved ones aren't so great. 

I can imagine getting a huge win on the lottery or premium bonds.  Alas,  it hasn't happened yet.

Yet, even though you haven't personally seen a lottery win, you know that they do happen.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

JKenH

You are perfectly entitled to adopt your own moral stance on any issue but you have to accept that not everyone will share that point of view and respect that, particularly when your views are a minority opinion. 

I believe there is a very good argument from a climate change point of view of stopping meat production and I understand why you feel we shouldn’t eat animals but suggesting that we should stop because of the mental health of abattoir workers is as tenuous as suggesting we should not let students go to university as it appears to impact badly on their mental health. To be honest, most jobs affect the mental heath of some workers to some degree but so does being unemployed. 

EricMears

JKenH said:

To be honest, most jobs affect the mental heath of some workers to some degree but so does being unemployed. 

Indeed,  people may only have two brief periods of mental well-being :  from learning to talk until being dragged off to school  and from becoming an OAP until dementia sets in 

Pile_o_stone

JKenH said:

You are perfectly entitled to adopt your own moral stance on any issue but you have to accept that not everyone will share that point of view and respect that, particularly when your views are a minority opinion. 

I believe there is a very good argument from a climate change point of view of stopping meat production and I understand why you feel we shouldn’t eat animals but suggesting that we should stop because of the mental health of abattoir workers is as tenuous as suggesting we should not let students go to university as it appears to impact badly on their mental health. To be honest, most jobs affect the mental heath of some workers to some degree but so does being unemployed. 

Before you get too carried away with that strawman you're building Ken...

1. I never said everyone should share my point of view.
2. I never said that I didn't respect other people's point of view (except perhaps yours as I am convinced you're just a troll).
3. I never said that people should stop eating meat because of the mental health of abattoir workers.

So what did I say?:

Pile_o_stone said:

It depends on an individual's own definition. Some people think it's ethical to ban abortion, some think pro-choice is ethical. Both sides think the other is unethical. Who decides?

Personally, I think it's ethical to raise your own animals and slaughter and butcher them if you want to eat meat. I don't think it's ethical to have other people do this for you so that you don't suffer from the PTSD that abattoir workers suffer from due to the mass killing of animals.

Looks like I was stating what my moral stance was - are you saying that I'm not entitled to adopt my own moral stance on this issue?
Ken, you have to accept that not everyone will share your point of view and respect that, even if you feel other views are a minority opinion.

JKenH

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a comment about whatever let’s you sleep at night has disappeared? That just happened to be the one to which I replied at 12.10. 

Pile_o_stone

JKenH said:

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a comment about whatever let’s you sleep at night has disappeared? That just happened to be the one to which I replied at 12.10. 

Do you mean this one?

Pile_o_stone said:

EricMears said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I can imagine that all sorts of unapproved methods of killing animals take place in abattoirs, though some of the approved ones aren't so great. 

I can imagine getting a huge win on the lottery or premium bonds.  Alas,  it hasn't happened yet.

Yet, even though you haven't personally seen a lottery win, you know that they do happen.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

JKenH

Pile_o_stone said:

JKenH said:

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a comment about whatever let’s you sleep at night has disappeared? That just happened to be the one to which I replied at 12.10. 

Do you mean this one?

Pile_o_stone said:

EricMears said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I can imagine that all sorts of unapproved methods of killing animals take place in abattoirs, though some of the approved ones aren't so great. 

I can imagine getting a huge win on the lottery or premium bonds.  Alas,  it hasn't happened yet.

Yet, even though you haven't personally seen a lottery win, you know that they do happen.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

That’s right. That now makes sense of my response. Thanks.

Pile_o_stone

JKenH said:

Pile_o_stone said:

JKenH said:

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a comment about whatever let’s you sleep at night has disappeared? That just happened to be the one to which I replied at 12.10. 

Do you mean this one?

Pile_o_stone said:

EricMears said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I can imagine that all sorts of unapproved methods of killing animals take place in abattoirs, though some of the approved ones aren't so great. 

I can imagine getting a huge win on the lottery or premium bonds.  Alas,  it hasn't happened yet.

Yet, even though you haven't personally seen a lottery win, you know that they do happen.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

That’s right. That now makes sense of my response. Thanks.

Well, that's another thread disrupted and taken off topic. Congrats Ken.

shinytop

Pile_o_stone said:

JKenH said:

Pile_o_stone said:

JKenH said:

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that a comment about whatever let’s you sleep at night has disappeared? That just happened to be the one to which I replied at 12.10. 

Do you mean this one?

Pile_o_stone said:

EricMears said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I can imagine that all sorts of unapproved methods of killing animals take place in abattoirs, though some of the approved ones aren't so great. 

I can imagine getting a huge win on the lottery or premium bonds.  Alas,  it hasn't happened yet.

Yet, even though you haven't personally seen a lottery win, you know that they do happen.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

That’s right. That now makes sense of my response. Thanks.

Well, that's another thread disrupted and taken off topic. Congrats Ken.

Actually @Joefizz started this vegan v carnivore argument on 23 October at 6:42AM and you bit immediately after in your response.