Fixtures and Fittings

bucksbloke

If your sales particulars included it as a feature then it should be left. 

AdrianC

You're looking at transporting two wood burners between properties. You're looking at two sets of fitting costs and certification. You're looking at leaving your buyers with a gaping flu and nothing connected for a period of time.

...or you could just buy a new one in the house you're moving to. If the one coming out is good enough to trade back to your buyers, then just flog it generally instead.

I bet there's not even much financial difference between the two, let alone the hassle factor.

Freestanding furniture? No expectation for it being left. It's built-in stuff that you'll need to remove and make good all the fixings and decor.

pinkteapot

This is the point of the F&F form, so the buyer knows what they are and aren’t getting, and then can renegotiate or argue as they see fit.

For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t expect any freestanding furniture to stay. I’d be rolling my eyes at the curtain poles but as long as you replace of make the holes good then fair enough. I would be peeved about the wood-burning stove though! I’d always expect a fire to stay. 

Nonetheless, you can take what you want so long as you declare it. They can now ask you to do more and you can say yes or no - up to you. They’re unlikely to pull out over it unless they were already wavering. You could tell them to take it or leave it then back down if it looks like they’ll walk. It’s just another negotiation. 

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Freestanding furniture i'd expect to go 

Curtain poles whilst annoying is not the end of the world as they can be cheaply replaced. 

The stove i'd expect to be left. It will have no doubt been used as a selling point for the property and as such i'd be reducing my offer to cover the costs of a suitable replacement plus fitting costs. 

Rambosmum

A wood burning stove? As in fitted in to a fire place? 

I'm assuming you told the estate agent and buyer that it didn't come with the house?

If I were buying your house, I would expect the stove to come with the house unless explicitly told otherwise. I'd be asking (through my solicitor) for the certification of the fitting. If I found out that you were taking it with you I'd expect you to 'make good' the fire place AND I'd be reducing my offer to take in to account the fitting of another. I'd also think you were a cheeky mare! 

The white goods I'd expect to be taken if they were integrated, the cooker I'd expect to be left but wouldn't cause a fuss if you took it (again, providing it wasn't fitted). The curtain poles I would roll my eyes at and think you were a bit petty. But the stove would potentially be a deal breaker.

oldbikebloke

at the end of the day as long as you detail precisely what is staying or going in the F&F list the buyer is welcome to make a counter offer.
Expectations and thoughts are meaningless. There was an infamous legal case where the buyer saw a beautiful garden on viewing and the seller, a keen botanist (ie > gardener) listed the precise name of every plant they were taking with them. Precise name being the Latin one. Buyer did not have a clue when reading the list and arrived to a seriously denuded garden so tried to sue. They lost, as the F&F form was held to be a categoric list that the buyer failed to react to by either specific inclusion of those items in their offer or by querying the list upon receipt . 

Drawingaline

We are leaving all our curtains as they are plain, not particularly expensive and won't fit in the new house. We are selling to a landlord so figured they would be handy for them. Also leaving a freestanding fridge and two freezers. Again, will be handy for them, and we plan on getting a big new one for our new kitchen. Also saves us from having to dispose of them.

But I am taking most of the shelves screwed into the wall in our front room. I will make good the holes and touch up the paint. If we were selling to FTB we would possibly leave them, but while they are not expensive, they will be handy in the new house.

Our vendors are taking all the curtains and poles, and have indicated they are taking some light fittings too. Which I find odd, especially as they are moving internationally?! But the bedrooms all have blinds that are staying, so we will be ok sleeping (I can't sleep without a window covering) and it means I can put up curtain tracks which I prefer to poles anyway.

But taking a woodburning stove? That would not be usual. Unless you replace it at your own cost before moving, with a cheaper one maybe.

greatcrested

If I was the buyer and you said you were taking the stove, I would immediately find out the cost of a brand new stove, get a quote for fitting it, add them together, and reduce my offer to you.

Irrelevant whether or not it was mentioned on the EA marketing. It was there when I viewed and I expected it to be included.

You are joking yes?

Sphynx

Humm, thank you everyone for your input. I am going to replace the curtain poles with either tracks or poles and will of course cover holes in the walls if we have unscrewed things.

I might rethink the stove, but we haven’t got paperwork for it etc. I suppose as it had no fire at all when we moved in I have listed the fire in my head as ‘mine’ rather than part of the house as a whole.

We are leaving the oven etc and I am still paying the 5K we spent on the bathroom, I don’t think the buyers are getting a bad deal. It wasn’t mentioned in the write up of the house and is listed as us taking it in F&F - the buyer queried it which is why I posted. I have no paperwork for the installation though. I suppose it’s up to them to make sure it’s safe etc. 

Flugelhorn

Sphynx said:

I might rethink the stove, but we haven’t got paperwork for it etc. I suppose as it had no fire at all when we moved in I have listed the fire in my head as ‘mine’ rather than part of the house as a whole.

 I have no paperwork for the installation though. I suppose it’s up to them to make sure it’s safe etc. 

I think there are local authority buildings regs related to the installation of wood burners 

https://www.imaginfires.co.uk/blog/is-a-wood-burning-stove-subject-to-building-regulations