PCM Appeal rejected-No Popla code in letter

Humey93

Hello all, 
I will keep this short for everyone. I recently appealed a PCN for owner left site, to PCM. The appeal was rejected with an option to go to the IAS (which I've heard bad thing about). No Popla code was sent with the letter, will it be just a case of sending them an email to give me one?

Thanks 

KeithP

You cannot appeal to PoPLA because PCM do not subscribe to that scheme.

It is not worth appealing to the IAS. Read the third post of the NEWBIES thread to find out why.

Humey93

KeithP said:

You cannot appeal to PoPLA because PCM do not subscribe to that scheme.

It is not worth appealing to the IAS. Read the third post of the NEWBIES thread to find out why.

Thank you very much for this speedy reply!
So really my options are to:
Pay £60 fine or possibly contact the Petrol station franchise I was parked in, or has that ship already sailed? 

Coupon-mad

But you know all this from the NEWBIES thread, we hope?  That's why it's at the top in capitals begging posters to read it first.

PCM are an IPC firm so no POPLA, no appeal worth trying, no fairness and no paying the darn thing, as that funds the next ones.    The NEWBIES thread shows you a link to successful complaints where people have seen PCNs cancelled by landowners YEARS later.  I've done that myself for someone 3 years later.

Of course you won't be paying it.  That isn't an option for an upstanding member of society who did nothing wrong. 

There is no risk as long as you tell PCM if you move house within 6 years and come back if you get a court claim (Gladstones PCM cases are all over this forum and 99% won, since 2016.  Please don't ask if there is a CCJ risk - read the NEWBIES THREAD SECOND POST.

Humey93

Coupon-mad said:

But you know all this from the NEWBIES thread, we hope?  That's why it's at the top in capitals begging posters to read it first.

PCM are an IPC firm so no POPLA, no appeal worth trying, no fairness and no paying the darn thing, as that funds the next ones.    The NEWBIES thread shows you a link to successful complaints where people have seen PCNs cancelled by landowners YEARS later.  I've done that myself for someone 3 years later.

Of course you won't be paying it.  That isn't an option for an upstanding member of society who did nothing wrong. 

There is no risk as long as you tell PCM if you move house within 6 years and come back if you get a court claim (Gladstones PCM cases are all over this forum and 99% won, since 2016.  Please don't ask if there is a CCJ risk - read the NEWBIES THREAD SECOND POST.

Thank you very much for all your help

Coupon-mad

Please now make a real difference because not enough people have yet, and time is running out.

A TASK FOR SEPTEMBER - NB: this will take an hour or more to go through each section, and to do BOTH consultations:

The Government is (this month only) consulting about a new statutory code of practice (CoP) and framework to rein in the rogue parking firms.  Read and comment on the draft CoP proposal and the enforcement framework consultation, and get everyone you know to do the same.

You will need to register to comment on the CoP and enter an occupation even if you are retired or a homemaker, but otherwise it is easy to navigate, and comment upon each section/subsection individually. You can save comments to edit later and or submit comments once you are happy with them.

https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/projects/2020-00193#/section

You do not need to register to comment on the enforcement framework which can be found here. It has a link on page 5 to make comments.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/913272/Code_Enforcement_Framework_consultation.pdf

Please complete comment on all sections if you have a view, remembering the vision of the Knight Act is to end extortionate parking charges.  If you agree with us, the added fake 'debt recovery' costs are just double counting the cost of letters and MUST GO, along with the robo-claim legal firms. 

A Speeding fine is £100.  A Local Authority lower rate parking penalty is £50.  Which do you think a private PCN should be like?

HOW TO DO THE SUBMISSIONS:

Responses into the PAS 232 and MHCLG framework documents are not completely straightforward:

On the MHCLG response, you have to answer the questions on a 1-5 scale from strongly agree to strongly disagree, and then put some commentary. No way to upload documents or alternatives.

 On the PAS 232, you have to click on each clause and sub-clause to put your comments, and a suggested rewording of their draft.  You can see comments which other people have written! 

 But, when you click ‘submit’, a message pops up to say your comments have been received, but that only applies to the particular clause you have just addressed.

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D_P_Dance

Any "owner left site" claim  is going to struggle in court  imo, it may well go against the Tt&C of the CRA 2015,

https://www.michelmores.com/news-views/news/guide-consumer-rights-act-2015-part-1-unfair-terms

Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, sometimes it can lead to cancellation., i

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, and darfts have beenopened for publc consulatation,

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these companies, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, under new legislation but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/

Please also read these and have your say

https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/projects/2020-00193#/section

You do not need to register to comment on the enforcement framework which can be found here. It has a link on page 5 to make comments.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/913272/Code_Enforcement_Framework_consultation.pdf. 

Le_Kirk

D_P_Dance said:

Any "owner left site" claim  is going to struggle in court  imo, it may well go against the Tt&C of the CRA 2015,

............. mainly because they don't know who the owner is!

D_P_Dance

Indeed, but that is was OP said.