Nurse training and working

billy2shots

Aranyani said:

billy2shots said:

Aranyani said:

I think the access course is just college based though, isn't it?  No placements until the degree.

 Unfortunately it's the same principle. 

Person A works at care home A,
Person B works at care home B , they attend the same course and boom. 

An employer knowing that someone attending a situation that mixes with others from heath is under so much pressure to minimise the risk if spread. 
We can look at employment rights, peoples choices etc but I get the feeling the government will turn more of a blind eye given the situation. 

I spent a good 10 minutes of an hour phonecall on Friday, explaining to the local authority that I can not dictate staff private lives and have to trust they are following guidelines whilst away from work. The LA also seem to think I should force staff to have their annual flu vaccine and weekly covid test that I carry out / provide.  I told them I encourage but can not insist. 

Waters are very much muddied at present. 

But what if the employee lives with another health worker?  Or has them in their friends and family circle? 

Then that's totally acceptable which makes being so strict in other areas pointless. 

We are walking a kind of limbo middle ground which isn't really working and will go on for a long time to come. Sooner or later it will be all or nothing. Shut down hard and tank the economy or accept things and open up fully. Pick one and get it sorted. 

ToxicWomble

Some social contact is more easily avoided than others though which is why we have this weird limbo situation.
Its doesn’t make it pointless or useless but it does if people don’t abide by it.
Its easier for us to avoid contact with our parents and children than with work colleagues.
Its not ideal - but it’s manageable
Always worth considering as well that just because you can do something it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to do it.
Its common sense - although it doesn’t appear to be that common currently 

Aranyani

billy2shots said:

Aranyani said:

billy2shots said:

Aranyani said:

I think the access course is just college based though, isn't it?  No placements until the degree.

 Unfortunately it's the same principle. 

Person A works at care home A,
Person B works at care home B , they attend the same course and boom. 

An employer knowing that someone attending a situation that mixes with others from heath is under so much pressure to minimise the risk if spread. 
We can look at employment rights, peoples choices etc but I get the feeling the government will turn more of a blind eye given the situation. 

I spent a good 10 minutes of an hour phonecall on Friday, explaining to the local authority that I can not dictate staff private lives and have to trust they are following guidelines whilst away from work. The LA also seem to think I should force staff to have their annual flu vaccine and weekly covid test that I carry out / provide.  I told them I encourage but can not insist. 

Waters are very much muddied at present. 

But what if the employee lives with another health worker?  Or has them in their friends and family circle? 

Then that's totally acceptable which makes being so strict in other areas pointless. 

We are walking a kind of limbo middle ground which isn't really working and will go on for a long time to come. Sooner or later it will be all or nothing. Shut down hard and tank the economy or accept things and open up fully. Pick one and get it sorted. 

There can be some middle ground.  A decent track and trace system and financial support to self isolate and/or shield would go a very long way! 

Aranyani

ToxicWomble said:

Some social contact is more easily avoided than others though which is why we have this weird limbo situation.
Its doesn’t make it pointless or useless but it does if people don’t abide by it.
Its easier for us to avoid contact with our parents and children than with work colleagues.
Its not ideal - but it’s manageable
Always worth considering as well that just because you can do something it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to do it.
Its common sense - although it doesn’t appear to be that common currently 

Avoiding contact with family and friends is causing an epidemic of depression, stress, addiction and other mental wellbeing issues, including in care homes. 

ToxicWomble

I would guess however that the majority of virus being spread is via family and friends rather than work colleagues- people are more likely to forget the basics of social distancing when with people they are more “comfortable” with
Its a very very fine line we are treading with some tough decisions and times ahead.

Jeremy535897

I am sure that not seeing friends and family is causing stress and depression, as said above.

But what must it have been like seeing them going to the front line in wartime? With no idea of when, or if, they would be seen again? Mortality rates on the Somme or on the Normandy beaches were rather higher than from COVID 19. A sense of proportion might be in order.

Aranyani

Jeremy535897 said:

I am sure that not seeing friends and family is causing stress and depression, as said above.

But what must it have been like seeing them going to the front line in wartime? With no idea of when, or if, they would be seen again? Mortality rates on the Somme or on the Normandy beaches were rather higher than from COVID 19. A sense of proportion might be in order.

Why do so many people constantly insist on comparing this to a war?  It isn't a war its a pandemic, a public health situation. 

We also understand the importance of mental health a lot better now than we did 70 or 100 years ago.

Jeremy535897

Aranyani said:

Jeremy535897 said:

I am sure that not seeing friends and family is causing stress and depression, as said above.

But what must it have been like seeing them going to the front line in wartime? With no idea of when, or if, they would be seen again? Mortality rates on the Somme or on the Normandy beaches were rather higher than from COVID 19. A sense of proportion might be in order.

Why do so many people constantly insist on comparing this to a war?  It isn't a war its a pandemic, a public health situation. 

We also understand the importance of mental health a lot better now than we did 70 or 100 years ago.

The medical profession appear to have discovered a lot more mental illnesses than there used to be 70 or 100 years ago, and the pharmaceutical industry has certainly made billions out of them, not always with the happiest of results. I'm not sure that's quite the same thing as understanding the importance of mental health better. I am not comparing the pandemic to a war, merely pointing out that people seemed to cope with adversity better then than they do now.