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K_S

@maka344 Ah ok, this was a direct porting app initially? 

Hopefully the broker is able to get it through, especially if it almost fits just on your perm PAYE income.

The contractor income being paid through umbrella PAYE and paystream/clearpay/etc. payslips doesn't make a huge difference as it'll still be considered as a contractor income which can effectively end any day and assessed under their contractor policy, if that makes sense.

Good luck!

Maka344 said:

K_S said:

Maka344 said:

Following on from the session with our broker to progress our mortgage port - unfortunately, our existing lender has this evening informed the broker that they will not consider my additional income as part of our mortgage port application. This is extremely disappointing, especially considering our broker had initially assured us that our current lender had no issue with my income structure - which was checked and confirmed as fine with the BDM at the time of inquiry.

However, they are now stating that their policy states due to my additional income coming from a day rate fixed contract position (in addition to my permanent employment), I must have had no longer than a 6-week gap between this type of income/contract, despite being employed full-time since 2020 with zero gaps and having previous contract experience as a company director. 

Is this normal for Clydesdale? We have an ERC thus, need to port with them sadly. 

@maka344 I'm sorry to hear that.

I'm not saying every single mainstream lender would give you the same outcome, but based on the limited info in your post (main income - perm PAYE and secondary income from day-rate contracting) it's to be expected that the secondary income would be scrutinised closely, based on published criteria and a subjective assessment of the overall scenario+numbers by the underwriter. 

In this case, the published criteria is "We will accept applications from contractors where there has been a maximum gap of 6 weeks between contracts. If there is more than a 6 week gap, please refer to us prior to application - we may still be able to help." Clydesdale underwriters are actually quite good with exceptions for solid non-PAYE cases, but the threshold for making that exception would be even higher if the contracting income was a secondary stream. I hope that makes sense.

I hope you're able to find a solution to buy the property you need, good luck!

Thank you kindly for your response. 

We have reverted back to a long standing broker we have used previously. He has access to a specialist leading team within CB and he is working with them to see if they can help. 

Outline of my working situation is as follows:
- I have been working in the my field for over 12 years.
- There have been no gaps in my employment history in recent times.
- I have prior experience working as a Director of my own LTD company under contract in the same field.
- I started my permanent role in May 2020 and I am currently employed there.
- I began the contract with in March 2023, and it is set to conclude in February 2024 - this is a 12-month day rate contract.

My contract income is around 4 times higher than my perm income and both go via PAYE (with wage slips) as the contract is through an umbrella company inside of IR35. 

The lending fits with HSBC/Halifax on my perm income alone however, the sticking point is the ERC of £11k and the higher mortgage payments from completion rather than expiry of our current fixed tariff. 

kingstreet

everyfallingcurl said:

Have you ever known HSBC to grant an offer extension or grace period of more than 5 working days?

We are exchanging tomorrow (touch wood), and have had to set our completion date to 2 days prior to our offer expiry date, due to buyers funds being tied-up until then. We'd like another 10 working days to cover us for the full 'notice to complete' period should it be needed, but have been told point blank "HSBC don't extend" by our advisor. Thanks

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80085815#Comment_80085815

Maka344

K_S said:

@maka344 Ah ok, this was a direct porting app initially? 

Hopefully the broker is able to get it through, especially if it almost fits just on your perm PAYE income.

The contractor income being paid through umbrella PAYE and paystream/clearpay/etc. payslips doesn't make a huge difference as it'll still be considered as a contractor income which can effectively end any day and assessed under their contractor policy, if that makes sense.

Good luck!

Maka344 said:

K_S said:

Maka344 said:

Following on from the session with our broker to progress our mortgage port - unfortunately, our existing lender has this evening informed the broker that they will not consider my additional income as part of our mortgage port application. This is extremely disappointing, especially considering our broker had initially assured us that our current lender had no issue with my income structure - which was checked and confirmed as fine with the BDM at the time of inquiry.

However, they are now stating that their policy states due to my additional income coming from a day rate fixed contract position (in addition to my permanent employment), I must have had no longer than a 6-week gap between this type of income/contract, despite being employed full-time since 2020 with zero gaps and having previous contract experience as a company director. 

Is this normal for Clydesdale? We have an ERC thus, need to port with them sadly. 

@maka344 I'm sorry to hear that.

I'm not saying every single mainstream lender would give you the same outcome, but based on the limited info in your post (main income - perm PAYE and secondary income from day-rate contracting) it's to be expected that the secondary income would be scrutinised closely, based on published criteria and a subjective assessment of the overall scenario+numbers by the underwriter. 

In this case, the published criteria is "We will accept applications from contractors where there has been a maximum gap of 6 weeks between contracts. If there is more than a 6 week gap, please refer to us prior to application - we may still be able to help." Clydesdale underwriters are actually quite good with exceptions for solid non-PAYE cases, but the threshold for making that exception would be even higher if the contracting income was a secondary stream. I hope that makes sense.

I hope you're able to find a solution to buy the property you need, good luck!

Thank you kindly for your response. 

We have reverted back to a long standing broker we have used previously. He has access to a specialist leading team within CB and he is working with them to see if they can help. 

Outline of my working situation is as follows:
- I have been working in the my field for over 12 years.
- There have been no gaps in my employment history in recent times.
- I have prior experience working as a Director of my own LTD company under contract in the same field.
- I started my permanent role in May 2020 and I am currently employed there.
- I began the contract with in March 2023, and it is set to conclude in February 2024 - this is a 12-month day rate contract.

My contract income is around 4 times higher than my perm income and both go via PAYE (with wage slips) as the contract is through an umbrella company inside of IR35. 

The lending fits with HSBC/Halifax on my perm income alone however, the sticking point is the ERC of £11k and the higher mortgage payments from completion rather than expiry of our current fixed tariff. 

That’s correct. A direct port app initially with additional borrowing. 

It’s coming in about 67k short of what we need on my perm PAYE. 

That’s also correct, I’m via PayStream. The contract is effectively a day rate but is 12 months in duration. 

Thanks again for taking the time to reply. 

First_Time_Buyer000

Hi all, can switching a current account from one bank to another in the months prior to a mortgage application affect the mortgage decision? Thanks in advance. 

machiavellie

Is anyone able to tell me the timeline process between the underwriting / house val?

Do they do the underwriting first and then the val?

If the house valuation has come back okay, what would be the need to do more underwriting? Apparently the house i'm buying 'had the valuation done ages ago' but no one told me until I rang for an update, but now my application is with a 'mortgage underwriter specialist'.

It's with HSBC if that makes a difference

K_S

@machiavellie With HSBC (like most other mainstream lenders), for most cases the valuation and underwriting happen in parallel.

Sometimes the valuation report has surveyor comments on it which means it goes back in the underwriter queue to be looked at by the underwriter to check if there's anything to be done. Perhaps that's where your application is at.

If this is a broker app, the broker should be able to give you a clear update. Hope you get an offer through soon!

machiavellie said:

Is anyone able to tell me the timeline process between the underwriting / house val?

Do they do the underwriting first and then the val?

If the house valuation has come back okay, what would be the need to do more underwriting? Apparently the house i'm buying 'had the valuation done ages ago' but no one told me until I rang for an update, but now my application is with a 'mortgage underwriter specialist'.

It's with HSBC if that makes a difference

CH156

K_S said:

@ch156 I wouldn't read anything into that.

Even if it meant anything, I wouldn't really know tbh. As a broker I don't have sight of any credit file related alerts or changes for clients.

CH156 said:

K_S said:

@ch156 Not a silly question at all. With respect to mainstream applications, processing/underwriting/assessment are all interchangeably used so you could say that they all refer to pretty much the same thing.

If there is full manual underwriting (not all applications will go to full underwriting, some will simply involve matching payslips to income on app for example), then that may involve a human being doing a sense check on the case, digging into details (eg: asking about reasons for historic arrears showing on the Equifax credit report, making a subjective assessment as to whether or not there is carry over to the current app), digging into internal databases older than 6 years (for example these may show RBS group related arrears which are long gone from credit reports), assessing the application details to see if they need to dig into anything, etc. I hope that makes sense.

The application and credit check (contrary to what a lot of people assume, both the soft and hard check give them the same level of detail) give them the information required for a Yes/No decision at a tick-box level and if it gets picked up for full underwriting then what is additional is a sense-check and manual review of the same information in conjunction with any packaging (documentation, notes) uploaded. 

CH156 said:

K_S said:

@ch156 It is positive in that it's moving forward. But with most apps NatWest (like most other mainstream lenders) does the val and assessment in parallel, as you can see below for one of my in-progress cases, so in that sense it may not be positive or negative. I hope that makes sense.


Your broker should be able to get a rough idea of whether or not assessment is complete by looking at the case tracker so perhaps just drop them an email.

CH156 said:

Good morning all, so i had messaged a few days ago my broker put in a new AIP with Natwest followed by full application (our halifax one declined sadly before valuation stage), this was on 1st of June. I've now had a message from the developer to say the valuation has been booked for this Thursday, is this a positive step or just how NW do things differently to Halifax? Many thanks

Hi K_S, apologies in advance for the silly question but is the assessment the underwriting? What actually does underwriting include that hasn’t been picked up from the hard check? Also does the hard check check the last 6 years?

Me again! So i've had a RBSG Subsequent credit search hit my equifax today. Should I read too much into this?

Got our offer through today @K_S. I am however officially traumatised now 🤣 thank you for answering my questions along the way 

machiavellie

K_S said:

@machiavellie With HSBC (like most other mainstream lenders), for most cases the valuation and underwriting happen in parallel.

Sometimes the valuation report has surveyor comments on it which means it goes back in the underwriter queue to be looked at by the underwriter to check if there's anything to be done. Perhaps that's where your application is at.

If this is a broker app, the broker should be able to give you a clear update. Hope you get an offer through soon!

machiavellie said:

Is anyone able to tell me the timeline process between the underwriting / house val?

Do they do the underwriting first and then the val?

If the house valuation has come back okay, what would be the need to do more underwriting? Apparently the house i'm buying 'had the valuation done ages ago' but no one told me until I rang for an update, but now my application is with a 'mortgage underwriter specialist'.

It's with HSBC if that makes a difference

Just got my offer through!! Thanks for all your help  

lcc86

My mortgage is split into 2 sub-accounts. One can be renewed now, the other not until November. The bank have said we can either wait and renew both together in November or fix one now and the second in November. With the way interest rates are going, what would you choose? (Paying an EPC is not an option for sub-account 2 as it would be over £1000). I'm inclined to fix sub-account 1 now.

lcc86

My mortgage is split into 2 sub-accounts. One can be renewed now, the other not until November. The bank have said we can either wait and renew both together in November or fix one now and the second in November. With the way interest rates are going, what would you choose? (Paying an EPC is not an option for sub-account 2 as it would be over £1000). I'm inclined to fix sub-account 1 now.

Thanks in advance!