What is classed as 'emergency dental work'?

onwards&upwards

Gers said:

onwards&upwards said:

Gers said:

onwards&upwards said:

I have plenty of empathy for people who will lose teeth they didn’t need to lose, or who will suffer complications from dental infections, or who will have their mouth cancer go undetected. 

Do you?  Does Brook2Jack?  I haven’t seen any and that’s what really worries me.  Every response is just all about you, no thought for the people you care for.

Dentists are not allowed to undertake AGP for the NHS right now. I hope that you understand the term 'not allowed', nowhere near can't be bothered or chose not to.

How do you feel about that?  Do you agree with it.

What I feel is irrelevant.  If I agree with it or not is irrelevant.  It's statutory. 

It’s really really not irrelevant.  I think a lot of people would feel reassured if dentists were clear that they are unhappy about not providing an acceptable level of care, or if they showed a scrap of empathy with people suffering or who will suffer because of the level of restriction the profession has accepted.

Gers

onwards&upwards said:

Gers said:

onwards&upwards said:

Gers said:

onwards&upwards said:

I have plenty of empathy for people who will lose teeth they didn’t need to lose, or who will suffer complications from dental infections, or who will have their mouth cancer go undetected. 

Do you?  Does Brook2Jack?  I haven’t seen any and that’s what really worries me.  Every response is just all about you, no thought for the people you care for.

Dentists are not allowed to undertake AGP for the NHS right now. I hope that you understand the term 'not allowed', nowhere near can't be bothered or chose not to.

How do you feel about that?  Do you agree with it.

What I feel is irrelevant.  If I agree with it or not is irrelevant.  It's statutory. 

It’s really really not irrelevant.  I think a lot of people would feel reassured if dentists were clear that they are unhappy about not providing an acceptable level of care, or if they showed a scrap of empathy with people suffering or who will suffer because of the level of restriction the profession has accepted.

People don't need to be reassured about dentists being unhappy - bit snowflake'ish.  What difference does it make? None,  I would suggest.  In my experience dentists are showing more than a scrap of empathy with their patients.  In fact, in my experience they extremely frustrated about being cut of from their patients and their income stream.  They didn't chose to close down, they didn't chose to not have patients come for regular routine or emergency treatment and they certainly didn't chose the tight constrictions under which they have to operate in for now. 

In addition to my AGP in hospital I have had emergency AGP treatment with my dentist, luckily the trauma happened when the surgery was allowed to open again, even with no NHS procedures being allowed.  Both treatments were handled in the same very carefully controlled conditions.

You do every dentist and dental nurse a huge disservice with your rude comments.

onwards&upwards

I have made no comment regarding dental nurses, I have every respect for them. 

brook2jack2

It’s really really not irrelevant.  I think a lot of people would feel reassured if dentists were clear that they are unhappy about not providing an acceptable level of care, or if they showed a scrap of empathy with people suffering or who will suffer because of the level of restriction the profession has accepted.

https://bda.org/news-centre/blog/Pages/Coronavirus--Five-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-future-of-dentistry.aspx

LandM1

My private dentist has been fully operational again since July. I don’t understand if they can do it, why are other dentists making such a fuss about doing most treatments?

brook2jack2

Because eg in Scotland NHS dentists were prohibited by the government from doing any treatment which involved an agp (aerosol generating procedure eg something involving a drill) until a very short time ago and in England they have been told to work through urgent cases first, in Northern Ireland they cannot get hold of PPE at all and in Wales there was a massive shortfall of dentists doing NHS practice in the first place as well as all the above problems. 

In NHS practice a dentist will typically see 35 or more patients a day. In covid times having to leave a surgery fallow after each procedure means the capacity is about 30% of what is was before, so waiting lists are growing and growing . A private practice will see far fewer people a day.

additionally private dentists could pay the massively increased costs of PPE and the massive costs of new equipment to get to work again quickly which NHS dentists could not.

Gers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-54631039

Murphybear

One of my husbands fillings fell out.  He contacted the local dental service and after hearing what his problem was they said it wasn’t urgent.  Don’t know if that helps.  We are registered with an NHS dentist but can’t get hold of them as they just leave a phone message saying they are closed apart from emergencies!

LandM1

I agree, its very frustrating, especially to people who have existing problems that rely on regular visits to keep on top of them. And now, after I’ve praised my private dentist for doing regular work from June, I’ve been told today that due to being over 60 my next appointment has been cancelled until after the lockdown ends! So what’s all that about???

Undervalued

LandM1 said:

I agree, its very frustrating, especially to people who have existing problems that rely on regular visits to keep on top of them. And now, after I’ve praised my private dentist for doing regular work from June, I’ve been told today that due to being over 60 my next appointment has been cancelled until after the lockdown ends! So what’s all that about???

I am tempted to say that due to your (our!!) age, our teeth are regarded as disposable!

However, hopefully it is because us over sixties are far more at risk of having serious complications if we catch Covid19. So a proper assessment of the risks suggests that all but absolute emergency dental treatment should be postponed?