We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
The MSE Forum Team would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas. However, we know this time of year can be difficult for some. If you're struggling during the festive period, here's a list of organisations that might be able to help
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Has MSE helped you to save or reclaim money this year? Share your 2025 MoneySaving success stories!

Flying freehold

I purchased my property a year ago with a flying freehold ie my lounge is above what was at the time of purchase offices adjoined to and belonging to a residential property. The property has since been sold and the new owners want to turn the offices into a double garage below my lounge. Originally the local planning department said planning permission would be required for a change of use and potentially an environmental survey would need to be carried out to determine my safety from pollution noise and fire risk. The planning department have since renegade on the change of use and say it is up to me to obtain a survey from environmental health . I am unclear as to my position and where I stand in this matter. Had I know at the time of purchase a garage would potentially be under my lounge I would have looked into the flying freehold in greater depth and detail. Any thoughts or help on this situation would be much appreciated . 

Comments

  • davidmcn
    davidmcn Posts: 23,596 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    mazhen said:
    The planning department have since renegade on the change of use and say it is up to me to obtain a survey from environmental health .
    What do you mean by "reneged"? Do you mean they've decided planning permission isn't required? What do you mean by "up to you" to obtain a survey from environmental health?
  • greatcrested
    greatcrested Posts: 5,925 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    Flying freeholds are always problematic for a variety of reasons, but presumably you knew this when buying.
    You can put in a formal objection to the application for change of use, based on a number of specific criteria (not just 'I don't like the idea' or 'it will be noisy') and environmental impact is, I believe, one such criteria. However, the more evidence you can present to back up your objection the better.
  • eddddy
    eddddy Posts: 18,340 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 21 August 2020 at 5:46PM

    Just as a little reassurance...

    If the conversion does eventually go ahead, it will need to meet building regs, which will mean the walls and ceiling must be made fire resistant - if they're not already.

    And if fire proofing work is done to the party wall and party ceiling/floor it may come under the Party Wall Act (but I'm not 100% sure). If it does, you could hire a surveyor to make sure it's done properly, and the neighbour has to pay the surveyor's fee. 
  • What's so bad about a garage under your lounge? I would think it's preferable to another lounge or whatever as noise will be less of an issue assuming it's a garage for storage of a car and the usual misc. junk?
  • carefullycautious
    carefullycautious Posts: 2,464 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 21 August 2020 at 6:10PM
    What's so bad about a garage under your lounge? I would think it's preferable to another lounge or whatever as noise will be less of an issue assuming it's a garage for storage of a car and the usual misc. junk?
    Potentially very cold! 
  • mazhen
    mazhen Posts: 7 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture First Post Combo Breaker
    Thank you for replies so far. Typo error planning department first said the garage needed permission then changed their mind and said it didn't. This has led to very strained relations with new neighbours. I now have to contact environmental health and get them to agree to a survey. I do not object in principal to a garage but as one reply suggest this was a heated area beneath my lounge which will now be cold plus as I previously stated all the other related health and safety issues. Do I have any rights?
  • davidmcn
    davidmcn Posts: 23,596 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 21 August 2020 at 7:18PM
    mazhen said:
    planning department first said the garage needed permission then changed their mind and said it didn't. I now have to contact environmental health and get them to agree to a survey. I do not object in principal to a garage but as one reply suggest this was a heated area beneath my lounge which will now be cold plus as I previously stated all the other related health and safety issues. Do I have any rights?
    If it doesn't need planning permission then where do environmental health come into it?
    I can't see that you have any "rights" beyond what might be in your titles (though I doubt there would be anything there prohibiting garage use). You don't have a right to require your neighbours to help heat your house!
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.9K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.9K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.7K Spending & Discounts
  • 246K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 602.1K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.8K Life & Family
  • 259.9K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.