Shared driveway, permission for overhead wire installation

AdrianC

diego_94 said:

Why do you want FTTP, what is wrong with standard ADSL? Fast enough for most normal users.

Depends on where you are.

We have FTTP.
Before we got FTTP, our ADSL was up to the heady heights of about 3meg.
We don't have street cabs - our line is straight off the sub-exchange, about 4km line away. So no FTTC.
Many local friends who aren't on the fibre route get <1meg ADSL.
One set of friends can't get ADSL at all. Their choice is dial-up, satellite, or mobile... which requires an antenna on top of a 5m pole at the top of their garden.

I don't even know if that'd be an option for us, if it wasn't for the fibre. To receive an SMS, I usually need to leave my phone on top of the car in the drive for about 5min or so.

Takmon

diego_94 said:

Why do you want FTTP, what is wrong with standard ADSL? Fast enough for most normal users.

ADSL certainly isn't fast enough for most users because the the popularity of streaming video i would say that most people need faster than what the average speed of ADSL can provide.

Mickey666

Not sure why the average ADSL speed is but I used to have a 6Mbps connection and could stream films without problems, Netflix mainly.  I subsequently upgraded to FTTC when it came to the village but I can’t say I’ve noticed any difference When streaming.  Perhaps if there were more people in the house streamI guess I might have noticed.  I certainly have no need for FTTP-type speeds, though I appreciate many people do.

sendu

Takmon said:

sendu said:

eidand said:

what kind of unreasonable demands?

He wants me to get fibre to his property as well. It's already a massive favour to bring fibre to the street, with me shouldering the cost solo. But he's asking for something I can't even do, since I'm not BT.

Well if you want the driveway dug up then it makes sense that it is installed to his house on the way too... i don't see how this is unreasonable? 

His house if further up the road. And I don't have a way of giving it to him. He has to part be part of the order and sign a 1 year contract. If he's part of the order he'd have to pay half the install cost. But he won't. So he's proposing I somehow enter in to a 1 year contract and pay for his internet for a year on top of paying the full cost of the install. In exchange, he says "ok".
How is that reasonable to you?

sendu

rtho782 said:

I assume from the description this is FTTPoD, and you will be getting fibre to his own property too - once your order is complete, he (assuming he is fed from the same pole) will find that regular GEA FTTP will be available to order - at a higher speed than your FTTPoD.

Actually, if you want the fastest possible speed, buy him FTTPoD and then order GEA-FTTP yourself and have gigabit heh...

Interesting, I don't know about that. Assuming I'm not able to deal with him and get FTTPoD for myself, I presume once my 1 year contract ends, I can switch to GEA-FTTP myself?

Takmon

sendu said:

Takmon said:

sendu said:

eidand said:

what kind of unreasonable demands?

He wants me to get fibre to his property as well. It's already a massive favour to bring fibre to the street, with me shouldering the cost solo. But he's asking for something I can't even do, since I'm not BT.

Well if you want the driveway dug up then it makes sense that it is installed to his house on the way too... i don't see how this is unreasonable? 

His house if further up the road. And I don't have a way of giving it to him. He has to part be part of the order and sign a 1 year contract. If he's part of the order he'd have to pay half the install cost. But he won't. So he's proposing I somehow enter in to a 1 year contract and pay for his internet for a year on top of paying the full cost of the install. In exchange, he says "ok".
How is that reasonable to you?

Well you have obviously provided new information and i think it would be reasonable if he only pays the extra cost on top of what you would have to pay anyway. So yes he will have to place his own order but you will cover part of his bill up to the cost of what you would have to pay anyway because i can't see his house being that much further out the way if it has to go down a driveway he owns to get to your house.

rtho782

sendu said:

rtho782 said:

I assume from the description this is FTTPoD, and you will be getting fibre to his own property too - once your order is complete, he (assuming he is fed from the same pole) will find that regular GEA FTTP will be available to order - at a higher speed than your FTTPoD.

Actually, if you want the fastest possible speed, buy him FTTPoD and then order GEA-FTTP yourself and have gigabit heh...

Interesting, I don't know about that. Assuming I'm not able to deal with him and get FTTPoD for myself, I presume once my 1 year contract ends, I can switch to GEA-FTTP myself?

Yes, once you are out of contract, your FTTPoD connection is GEA-FTTP and you can switch to any GEA-FTTP package from any provider at the normal pricing.

Up until recently they were fitting 2 port NTEs and you could have two FTTP connections at an address over the same fibre (So order FTTPoD from Cerberus or whoever, then get a retail GEA-FTTP package from BT or whoever else at up to 1G on the other port), I believe they generally fit 1 port NTEs now but not sure if you can have a 2 port if you want 2 lines. Perhaps the thinkbroadband forums are better than here for this stuff tho, a few people there have FTTPoD.

The reason your FTTPoD quote includes a reduction for "Homes Passed" is that it becomes very cheap for those homes to later order FTTPoD, and generally they now fit a multiway connectorised block to the top of the pole so those on your pole can then all have GEA-FTTP. There are again people on the TBB forums that have noted their neighbours show as normal GEA-FTTP available a few weeks after their FTTPoD installs.

There are also small business grant vouchers (which would potentially apply to you if you say.... have a self employed business at home selling tat on ebay), and the FTTPoD system does allow for joint quotes, whereby you both have a connection and the install cost is split (and reduced, as BT subsidise it slightly per property if I remember correctly) but not sure anyone has actually gone this route.

Owain_Moneysaver

Mickey666 said:

Not sure why the average ADSL speed is but I used to have a 6Mbps connection and could stream films without problems, Netflix mainly.  

That would be 6Mbps download, which is fine for streaming films to you. 
The problem is that may only be 0.5Mbps upload, which is insufficient for the now obligatory-for-many videoconferencing and similar demands. 

sendu

diego_94 said:

Why do you want FTTP, what is wrong with standard ADSL? Fast enough for most normal users.

Netflix advises 25 Mbps for 4k streaming. I think my property would get about 25 average. But there are multiple people in the house, each potentially doing their own 4k stream. Game streaming can use up to 50 Mbps. And I download numerous multi-GB files daily, and faster downloads are greatly appreciated.

Multiple 4k stream-capable internet will become what most normal users want and expect within the next decade I suspect.

Your question is like asking someone who wanted ADSL 10 years ago "what's wrong with dial-up"?

AdrianC

sendu said:

diego_94 said:

Why do you want FTTP, what is wrong with standard ADSL? Fast enough for most normal users.

Netflix advises 25 Mbps for 4k streaming.

But, of course, nobody NEEDS 4k streaming.

We have a 32" 1080p HD tv, at one end of a ~4m long living room. We rarely even bother using the HD broadcast channels. Unless you've got a TV the size of your wall, with your nose damn near touching the screen, in some kind of domestic IMAX-wannabe scenario, then 4k is just pointless.