Changing a light pendant (with 4 wires) to light fitting

TDPIX

Hello MSE,
I've recently bought four light fittings (to replace the existing simple ceiling light pendants) that look like the following to wire up:

I've already changed two of the four pendants since they are just a single wire coming in (from the other hallway/landing light) so they were simple.
But my other hallway light looks like:

And my other landing light looks like:

So I was wondering how these should be wired up for the new lights? I understand that the 4 wires are: supply for light, supply for next light in circuit, switch line and loop to other light, but I'm a bit confused where the live and neutral cables should go because currently they go into 3 terminal blocks but the new light will only have one 2 terminal blocks for these?
Many thanks for any help you can provide!
TDPIX

Boohoo

Get somebody who is qualified to do the work for you.
It might not be money saving but it could be life saving.

molerat

2 x 5 way Wago blocks, 2 x 3 way Wago blocks and a length of 1mm TWE.

Homer_home

does your new light fit over and hide the ceiling rose? it looks big enough

if so just connect earth in new light fitting to the earths in the rose and using the pendant wire connect the ends into the corresponding live and neutral on your new light ( shorten it first though)

if the ceiling rose doesnt fit you will need wagos to replace the ceiling rose

TDPIX

Thanks for the replies all. I'm not against calling an electrician in if needed (although that is a pain in the current climate), but I'm also interested to learn more

Homer_home said:

does your new light fit over and hide the ceiling rose? it looks big enough

if so just connect earth in new light fitting to the earths in the rose and using the pendant wire connect the ends into the corresponding live and neutral on your new light ( shorten it first though)

if the ceiling rose doesnt fit you will need wagos to replace the ceiling rose

Yes it covers it nicely thankfully.

So for the wiring up, do all the live cables (permanent and switched, in line and loop terminals right now) just go into the single live terminal of the new light?

Or would the permanent lives in the loop need to be handled separately somehow?

fenwick458

this us un-believably simple.
the 3 brown cables in the middle, put them into a separate piece of terminal block, not connected to the new light in any way
all the wires thats are in the earth terminal, go into the earth terminal (surprise surprise)
all the wires that are in the neutral terminal, go into the neutral terminal (wow, this is easy isn't it?)
and then lastly, all the wires in the other terminal, they go into the last remaining one (who would have thought?)

Norman_Castle

TDPIX said:

So for the wiring up, do all the live cables (permanent and switched, in line and loop terminals right now) just go into the single live terminal of the new light?

No, keep the ceiling rose under your new light fitting, your new light replaces the lamp holder. Add an earth because its metal.

As Homer_home said, "connect earth in new light fitting to the earths in the rose and using the pendant wire connect the ends into the corresponding live and neutral on your new light"

TDPIX

Thanks fenwick458 and Norman_Castle, both replies there make sense  

Ectophile

Do be careful to keep track of which brown wire goes where (including the black that's sleeved brown).  Some are permanent live and others are switched live.  If you muddle things up, nothing will work, and you'll need to call out an electrician to trace where each wire comes from.  The ones on the middle should be permanent live, and the ones on the end switched live.

From the excess number of wires, I am guessing that (a) you have another light on the same switch and (b) you have more than one switch operating the same lights.

diystarter7

Boohoo said:

Get somebody who is qualified to do the work for you.
It might not be money saving but it could be life saving.

Hi

Seconded

Looks complex and IMHO, get a decent sparky. Tell them what it is, what you want and a few pics and should not cost more than the call out of about 40 quid. However, do try to get a firm quote over the phone if you can as tradespeople can at times looks a fair price then more than double/treble the original estimate/guesstimate/etc.  Possibly seek a free quote and the guy that comes to look at it may do it for around the price I mentioned.

Good luck.

Risteard

diystarter7 said:

should not cost more than the call out of about 40 quid.

Perhaps if you book them to arrive in 1942...