12kg Hot Fill Washing Machine ?

Horizon7000

Hi There

I'm really struggling to find a large 12kg capacity washing machine that has hot water fill capability.

AO.com have two 10kg ones - a hoover and Samsung, but none any bigger. (the portholes are too small on modern 10kg machines)

Ebac make hot fill washing machines, but only up to 9kg

I'd appreciate some help in finding one.

Thanks

neilmcl

Can we ask we you need a hot fill machine of that size?

floppydisk1

With 12 kg and hot filling you are approaching commercial machine territory , there are loads of machines to fulfil you needs but don't expect domestic prices......  Do you REALLY NEED 12 kg capacity  and a hot fill  or do you want it ?For occasional home use get  biggest decent domestic machine and either live with cold fill or get 10 kg. Commercial machines are  really good ,wash fast , will probably last you 30  +  years but we are talking ££££   - like high 4 digit number or more.  You will also most likely need an electrician to connect one in, though there are few under  3kw , 13 Amp plug in machines available. If you NEED one large capacity hot fill machine for occasional domestic use, have you considered second hand commercial machine ? Still way more £££ than a home market brand new one, but you go down from 4 to high 3 digit  price tag...... Just to make it clear, unless you run machine all day from preheated  water source, there is really not  that much difference in running cost  in domestic setting between hot or cold fill  - when you use it few times a week only ( water takes little time to heat up and warm up pipes it's running through, by that time your washing machinewill be nearly full of water anyway( as machine  normally use 20 - 25 l  or something similar) of water  for main wash and on rinse and spin only cold water is used anyway. Commercial machines of your specifications are designed to run all day long and are made bullit proof with  average 30 000  + cycles but if you  really need  ( or want ) one - you will be charged for the privilege.

EssexExile

A very thorough answer from floppy. Many high use establishments, care homes for example, use normal domestic machines as commercial ones are not cost effective.

floppydisk1

Horizon7000 said:

Hi There

I'm really struggling to find a large 12kg capacity washing machine that has hot water fill capability.

AO.com have two 10kg ones - a hoover and Samsung, but none any bigger. (the portholes are too small on modern 10kg machines)

Ebac make hot fill washing machines, but only up to 9kg

I'd appreciate some help in finding one.

Thanks

Just to make you understand what I meant - try to check likes of Schulthess, Ipso, Miele ( commercial or industrial ones !! ) , Electrolux, Primus, JLA, Girbau -  in any and every case, we are talking ££££ , those specifications and expenses are rarely ( if ever ) needed in domestic settings. Domestic machines don't go to 12 kg and hot fill for a simple reason - there is no need for them so there is no market for them. Also 12 kg machine on full spin need some serious and quality engineering ( do it on cheap / plastic and small cheap bearings and spiders + concrete weights / and the'd be breaking down every week or more often), hence the price tag of industrial machines.

Emmia

Why do you need a "massive porthole" on the machine? What are you planning to wash?

clive0510

a machine like that will be like a tank. and on full spin speed christ alone knows what it will be like. I live alone now and i have a hotpoint 6 kg machine and its fine. touch wood.

Horizon7000

Thanks for all replies.

I need one capable of washing double/king Sized duvets, hence a big porthole and 12kg size.

(Modern 10kg ones seemed to have shrunk in porthole size?)

These are for a small guesthouse, and Covid-19 government guidelines say the bedding, towels etc must be washed at the maximum temperature the item can be washed at. In the case of cotton, that's 60 degrees.

So to operate safely in the current climate, there is a lot more washing required at higher temperatures, which all adds to the time it takes

I want a hot water feed, as waiting for the water to heat up in a cold feed washing machine adds at least 30 mins to the cycle, on our current domestic machine (10kg Whirlpool) which is quite old and due to be replaced anyway.

This is then "dead time" I'm paying the housekeeping staff to wait whilst it finishes the cycle before it can be dried and ironed

I'll check out the ideas you have given and see what I can find.

Rosa_Damascena

Horizon7000 said:

Thanks for all replies.

I need one capable of washing double/king Sized duvets, hence a big porthole and 12kg size.

(Modern 10kg ones seemed to have shrunk in porthole size?)

These are for a small guesthouse, and Covid-19 government guidelines say the bedding, towels etc must be washed at the maximum temperature the item can be washed at. In the case of cotton, that's 60 degrees.

So to operate safely in the current climate, there is a lot more washing required at higher temperatures, which all adds to the time it takes

I want a hot water feed, as waiting for the water to heat up in a cold feed washing machine adds at least 30 mins to the cycle, on our current domestic machine (10kg Whirlpool) which is quite old and due to be replaced anyway.

This is then "dead time" I'm paying the housekeeping staff to wait whilst it finishes the cycle before it can be dried and ironed

I'll check out the ideas you have given and see what I can find.

Might it be cheaper and less hassle altogether to have a good supply of heavy duty sheets and towels, and get them professionally laundered once a week?

floppydisk1

Try to get a second hand  industrial machine - make sure it's a 230V, 13A up to 3kw spec ( any higher voltage will need fairly expensive work done by a qualified electrician ) and if possible with drain pump ( so it can be used as a normal, domestic machine ), dump valve machine needs connection to low level drain ( under the level of the w. machine ). Don't be put off by second hand, industrial machines are built like tanks and normally for 20 000  - 30 000 + cycles  ( some domestic machines don't last 400 -600 cycles to put it in context )so they do last many, many years. They are not pretty but do exactly what they are designed for, you might not need 12kg either as their port holes are normally bigger than domestic market machines. You won't get 12kg hot fill machine from currys, AO or any other shops as there is no market for them so no one makes them. ( to be honest 12 kg machine on full spin built to acceptable quality to withstand full spin would cost so much, domestic machine main stream shops wouldn't sell any  ) You might check american style top loaders ( big opening on those ), but as far as I know, they only do cold fill ( I might be wrong as I haven't touched one for years ) One word of warning - if you  do get domestic spec. machine and use it in commercial premises it is classed as commercial use so any and all warranty will be void , it does not matter you get brand spanking new chineese junk or Beko on one end of the market or Miele, V-zug or Schulthess on the other end or anything in between, use it in a guest house, anything goes wrong , you end up with no warranty and will be charged for repairs ....

Or even better, get a big capacity , high quality domestic machine ( front or top loader - whatever you want ) ,  put duvet in before you go to bed on timer start  and start it 1 - 2  hrs  ( every decent new machine has time delay start option )  before housekeeping staff start so no  " dead time " and no massive  outlay for a machine either....

Apodemus

Not sure if this is a daft suggestion...but if heating time is that critical to you, could you not simply plumb a cold-fill machine in to your hot feed? Ok, it means using hot for the rinse cycles too (unless you got fancy and did something manual with your plumbing).  A compromise could be a set-temperature mixer valve on the feed, so that the fill started off at a warmer temperature, but you weren’t wasting too much energy on the rinse.