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S&S ISA query

Hi all,
I have a S&S ISA with Vanguard and a cash LISA with Skipton. I have never used the maximum £20k annual ISA allowance, primarily because I am saving towards a property and wary of how much risk I could take with investing and the ability to recoup losses in a market correction or downturn etc My Vanguard S&S ISA says I have "£22840" of my annual allowance remaining for 2020/21, am confused as under the impression it's £20k max per tax year and we are not allowed to roll unused allowance?
My other question is around how much risk I could take with investing. My Skipton LISA is fully utilised for this year which is great so will get the maximum £1k bonus but realistically I may not be in a position to buy untill mid next year. Currently I am 98% in cash and the rest invested in the S&S ISA.
 In my shoes would anyone take increased risk either by transferring the cash Lisa to an S&S Lisa and investing the whole lot or leave the cash LISA as it is and simply use more of my Vanguard S&S allowance? 
Thanks

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  • Audaxer
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    noclaf said:
    My Vanguard S&S ISA says I have "£22840" of my annual allowance remaining for 2020/21, am confused as under the impression it's £20k max per tax year and we are not allowed to roll unused allowance?
    That does seem strange as the maximum allowance is definitely £20k per year.
  • bowlhead99
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    edited 13 July 2020 at 10:19AM
    noclaf said:
     My Vanguard S&S ISA says I have "£22840" of my annual allowance remaining for 2020/21, am confused as under the impression it's £20k max per tax year and we are not allowed to roll unused allowance?

    Thanks
    Yes the overall ISA limit is £20k per tax year.  The Vanguard ISA is a 'flexible' ISA which means you can withdraw money and put it back in again within the same tax year without using up your current year allowance when you return it.  So it sounds like you have taken at least 2840 out of the ISA since 6 April (either current or previous year contributions) and you could put that much back in as well as making new current-year subscriptions up to your available allowance (though they won't know how much you've put into other ISAs in the year). If you haven't taken anything out, it's a glitch.

    My other question is around how much risk I could take with investing. My Skipton LISA is fully utilised for this year which is great so will get the maximum £1k bonus but realistically I may not be in a position to buy untill mid next year. Currently I am 98% in cash and the rest invested in the S&S ISA.

     In my shoes would anyone take increased risk either by transferring the cash Lisa to an S&S Lisa and investing the whole lot or leave the cash LISA as it is and simply use more of my Vanguard S&S allowance? 

    If you are wary of investment losses, don't invest. There aren't really any options in the S&S space which are guaranteed to return at least 0.5% after all fees without risk of loss. 

    If you are a gambler, you could take more risk, and if not a gambler you could take less. For example you might get a 20% upside if you buy a higher risk (100% equity) fund and can take on the potential risk of a 30-40% downside, but presumably you don't want that downside risk if you're realistically buying a year from now. 

    If you do want some risk and are willing to take a chance which is essentially random over a short time period like a year - a casino roulette wheel will give you a possible return that's as high as the potential downside, and you'll get the money (or the loss) overnight rather than waiting a year to find out.  I suppose if 'saving up a bit longer' is an option for you, it doesn't matter if you lose a bit in the pursuit of a win.

    If you go for a lower risk option, you won't get spectacular returns but you won't entirely eliminate the downside risk either, so that seems an unattractive option really when you want the money for a home purchase next year. UK Government bonds with <5 years to maturity have a negative yield at the moment, i.e. a guaranteed small loss. Higher risk bonds offer better yield but are not guaranteed so could lose. Equities could give an even higher return but again, could lose.
  • noclaf
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    edited 13 July 2020 at 10:39AM
    Thanks for the input all, I did indeed take out some funds from the S&S ISA earlier this year...that explains the allowance figure. I made some reasonable gains after increasing my investment in my vls 100 during March ..then proceeded to pull out some funds after the market moves back.up and transferred those to my Skipton LISA...a short term punt if you like.
    However I think for now I will stick to continue saving cash as the downside risk of the markets Vs how long it takes me to save... not worthwhile I'd say. It's frustrating as I have a sizeable chunk of cash in various bank accounts and the interest is poor but aware we are all in the same boat so have to just make best use we can of the various current/saving accounts. 
  • Audaxer
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    noclaf said:
    However I think for now I will stick to continue saving cash as the downside risk of the markets Vs how long it takes me to save... not worthwhile I'd say. It's frustrating as I have a sizeable chunk of cash in various bank accounts and the interest is poor but aware we are all in the same boat so have to just make best use we can of the various current/saving accounts. 
    If you are relatively young and saving for retirement 20 years or more in the future, I wouldn't hold so much cash.
  • noclaf
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    Audaxer said:
    noclaf said:
    However I think for now I will stick to continue saving cash as the downside risk of the markets Vs how long it takes me to save... not worthwhile I'd say. It's frustrating as I have a sizeable chunk of cash in various bank accounts and the interest is poor but aware we are all in the same boat so have to just make best use we can of the various current/saving accounts. 
    If you are relatively young and saving for retirement 20 years or more in the future, I wouldn't hold so much cash.
    Hi Audaxer,
    I totally agree but situation is slightly complicated. I work full-time but am also a carer for my elderly mother who has dementia...we have carers coming in daily to help with giving her meds and washing/personal care but outside of that it's myself or my wife who does everything else...meals, cleaning up when there are accidents and I also take her to all her appointments with Go/Hospital/eye clinics etc the house is mum and dad's...the reason I hold mainly cash is that if her condition suddenly deteriorates to the extent I can't manage the care aspects at home then potentially the house needs to be sold to use mum's half to fund.her care. My worry is that the LA will simply say sell the house..not considering I have been fulfilling carer duties in the house for the last 10 years, have lived here all my life, pay the bills, house upkeep etc I am 39 so not v young I'd say! But the niggling feeling is always about what happens if mum goes into care..hence the cash buffer( as I may need to find a new home if the LA will not consider putting a charge on the property and allowing me to continue living here with my wife.) The house can't be sold as it stands as I am deputy(CoP) for mum but not for dad (pending decision) and he owns half the house. Sorry for the long tangent but just trying to give context.
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