Started new Job, just got contract not what agreed to advice needed

Comms69

jonnygee2 said:

Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

Employers cannot do 'whatever they please' in the first two years. It's just a misleading statement / myth that persists on these boards. There are additional protections that come into force after two years, but employment contracts are still valid contracts and there are other laws (equality act, Health and Safety, whistle blowing) that employers still have to follow.

They can dismiss you if you complain, though - with notice as per contract. 

The long and short of it is that the OP is being told these are what we are now offering; accept it or leave. 

Undervalued

Mickey154 said:

Comms69 I dont mean to be rude but please dont reply if you cant give helpful advice. 

If what your saying is true. Then your saying all employers are allowed to lie and for example advertise a jobs as £40000 a year and then only pay you £5000 a year. If that so how can any one trust  job ads or apply for any job if it's all lies.
Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

Yes and no.

A contract was formed, regardless of whether they got round to issuing a shhet of paper with the word contract on it.

If you have evidence of what was agreed you could almost certainly hold them to that for the time you have already worked and indeed for your notice period if, as I imagine they would, you are given notice.

You might be able to make a claim for at least the 80% furlough during the lock down period. With less than two years service they could have dismissed you but it seems they didn't?

You cannot stop them from dismissing you now (with notice) if you don't agree to the new terms so it may come down to future work on these terms or potentially a claim for what you should have had so far but no future job.

Comms69

Undervalued said:

Mickey154 said:

Comms69 I dont mean to be rude but please dont reply if you cant give helpful advice. 

If what your saying is true. Then your saying all employers are allowed to lie and for example advertise a jobs as £40000 a year and then only pay you £5000 a year. If that so how can any one trust  job ads or apply for any job if it's all lies.
Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

Yes and no.
If you have evidence of what was agreed you could almost certainly hold them to that for the time you have already worked and indeed for your notice period if, as I imagine they would, you are given notice.

You might be able to make a claim for at least the 80% furlough during the lock down period. With less than two years service they could have dismissed you but it seems they didn't?

You cannot stop them from dismissing you now (with notice) if you don't agree to the new terms so it may come down to future work on these terms or potentially a claim for what you should have had so far but no future job.

And in the current market that's a pretty bleak outlook

elsien

Mickey154 said:

Little voice. When I agreed to accept job there was no mention of how many hours I would work a week. It was meant to be a yearly salary paid monthly so same amount each month. So amount of hours did not come Into it as was not going to be paid by the hour.
But would be happy to work 48hrs a week or more if have to. Not afraid of hard work.
Also contract they have given me to sign says I started on 16th March 2020.

The amount of hours always comes into it, in the situation you describe. 
A contract for 30K a year for a 40 hour week is very different to 30K a year for a part time 16 hours a week job.
How many hours you work for that wage is always part of the contract on an annual salary.

Undervalued

Comms69 said:

Undervalued said:

Mickey154 said:

Comms69 I dont mean to be rude but please dont reply if you cant give helpful advice. 

If what your saying is true. Then your saying all employers are allowed to lie and for example advertise a jobs as £40000 a year and then only pay you £5000 a year. If that so how can any one trust  job ads or apply for any job if it's all lies.
Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

Yes and no.
If you have evidence of what was agreed you could almost certainly hold them to that for the time you have already worked and indeed for your notice period if, as I imagine they would, you are given notice.

You might be able to make a claim for at least the 80% furlough during the lock down period. With less than two years service they could have dismissed you but it seems they didn't?

You cannot stop them from dismissing you now (with notice) if you don't agree to the new terms so it may come down to future work on these terms or potentially a claim for what you should have had so far but no future job.

And in the current market that's a pretty bleak outlook

So is a zero hour contract unless the OP genuinely believes the firm will regularly give him an adequate number of hours.

Marcon

Undervalued said:

Mickey154 said:

Comms69 I dont mean to be rude but please dont reply if you cant give helpful advice. 

If what your saying is true. Then your saying all employers are allowed to lie and for example advertise a jobs as £40000 a year and then only pay you £5000 a year. If that so how can any one trust  job ads or apply for any job if it's all lies.
Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

You might be able to make a claim for at least the 80% furlough during the lock down period. With less than two years service they could have dismissed you but it seems they didn't?

There was no pay period on which to base furlough pay, so not sure how that could work?

TELLIT01

£12.50 per hour would require 46 hour average working week to achieve £30k per annum.  It would seem, on the face of it, that there has been a quantity of bovine excrement in the advert and/or the information provided at interview.  I would be looking for another job as I wouldn't feel I could ever trust  anything they said in the future.

Comms69

Undervalued said:

Comms69 said:

Undervalued said:

Mickey154 said:

Comms69 I dont mean to be rude but please dont reply if you cant give helpful advice. 

If what your saying is true. Then your saying all employers are allowed to lie and for example advertise a jobs as £40000 a year and then only pay you £5000 a year. If that so how can any one trust  job ads or apply for any job if it's all lies.
Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

Yes and no.
If you have evidence of what was agreed you could almost certainly hold them to that for the time you have already worked and indeed for your notice period if, as I imagine they would, you are given notice.

You might be able to make a claim for at least the 80% furlough during the lock down period. With less than two years service they could have dismissed you but it seems they didn't?

You cannot stop them from dismissing you now (with notice) if you don't agree to the new terms so it may come down to future work on these terms or potentially a claim for what you should have had so far but no future job.

And in the current market that's a pretty bleak outlook

So is a zero hour contract unless the OP genuinely believes the firm will regularly give him an adequate number of hours.

So some work is worse than no work?

theoretica

I find it entirely plausible that the employer intended to offer an annual salary as advertised, but no longer wish to do this due to covid etc.  Instead of being open about making the change (which as other posters have said they would have been able to force through) they are trying to hide behind just offering the new contract.  It's horrible for you, but there is nothing you can do to make them continue to employ you on what was initially discussed. 

I wish you the best of luck finding something better.

AW618

Comms69 said:

Undervalued said:

Comms69 said:

Undervalued said:

Mickey154 said:

Comms69 I dont mean to be rude but please dont reply if you cant give helpful advice. 

If what your saying is true. Then your saying all employers are allowed to lie and for example advertise a jobs as £40000 a year and then only pay you £5000 a year. If that so how can any one trust  job ads or apply for any job if it's all lies.
Also whats the point on a contract if a employer can do what they want. Doesnt that defeat the point of having a contract.

Yes and no.
If you have evidence of what was agreed you could almost certainly hold them to that for the time you have already worked and indeed for your notice period if, as I imagine they would, you are given notice.

You might be able to make a claim for at least the 80% furlough during the lock down period. With less than two years service they could have dismissed you but it seems they didn't?

You cannot stop them from dismissing you now (with notice) if you don't agree to the new terms so it may come down to future work on these terms or potentially a claim for what you should have had so far but no future job.

And in the current market that's a pretty bleak outlook

So is a zero hour contract unless the OP genuinely believes the firm will regularly give him an adequate number of hours.

So some work is worse than no work?

Your answers are entirely predicated on the assumption that the OP cannot get another job.  Knowing as little as you do of them, you cannot make that assumption, and if you are going to give answers based upon it you should say so explicitly.