900 applications in 2020 and no job [Part 2]

KatrinaWaves

You could see from sign in sheets they had interviewed ‘hundreds’ of people. Did they have a scroll?! No company is interviewing ‘hundreds of of people.

Are you sure your degree isn’t in Hyperbole... 

jonnygee2

Employers telling you need to spend more time tailoring your application is just giving lip service.

No, it really, really isn't. You seem unconscionable but I can only urge anyone else reading this not to listen to this advice.

 On the occasion I get a great covering letter, which states my company's values or mission statement and then outlines why the person would fit with that, I am far more likely to interview even if their CV isn't exactly what I'm looking for, even when I used to recruit at entry level. It makes a huge difference. Especially as you go up the ladder, you'll find it is 100% expected.

 I can see from the sign-in sheet the company had been interviewing hundreds of people.

I feel you really aren't being upfront here. Arranging even one interview is very time consuming for employers, interviewing even five or six people for a role can easily take up a week's worth of work when you include all the time for prep, scheduling, and two people interviewing. I just don't believe there are companies interviewing 100+ people for a single position, sorry. 

lincroft1710

KatrinaWaves said:

Are you sure your degree isn’t in Hyperbole... 

I think he has a BA in BS

KatrinaWaves

I feel you really aren't being upfront here. Arranging even one interview is very time consuming for employers, interviewing even five or six people for a role can easily take up a week's worth of work when you include all the time for prep, scheduling, and two people interviewing. I just don't believe there are companies interviewing 100+ people for a single position, sorry. 

I think we have misunderstood. In the jobs they are going for they interview 100 people a day. They only have 10 mins per interview and only sleep for 4-5 hours in the office. Their secretary’s bring them sandwiches to eat so they don’t have to leave their desks. 

AW618

TeeTeeB said:

AW618 said:

TeeTeeB said:

KatrinaWaves said:

People are getting ‘bogged down’ (with a calculation that takes seconds...) because the person literally said each application had ‘a tailored covering letter and a tweaked CV, and 1/3 even required a full application form’ which is literally not possible to a high standard in the time scales they discuss. So to say ‘why are you concerning yourself with this when I could apply to 100 jobs in a second’ ya you could, but not in the way this person says they did! 

If they weren’t using their ‘amazing’ job application rate as a stick to beat someone with then I don’t think anyone would have given it a second glance, nor bothered to crunch the few numbers it would take to render their claims ridiculous. 

I graduated with a 2:1 (averaged at 68%) from a top 10 UK university. It's not Oxbridge but my academics are quite decent. No one would have given anyone a second glance regardless of how good you think your application is. You have far too many people competing, it is a numbers game. You seem to think some people are so high and mighty they can afford to take their time applying for a few jobs and getting an interview when everyone else making hundreds of applications each week can't. The reality is you're not some golden egg, you're just another number in the large list of applications. Unless the employer is a friend of your relative they won't spend an extra minute looking at your application just because you spent several hours longer in your application compared to others.

You must have some serious personal issues that make you so unemployable.  A 2:1 from a top 10 university and you had to apply for hundreds of entry level jobs all over the country?  What was your degree in?

AW618 said:

TeeTeeB said:

KatrinaWaves said:

People are getting ‘bogged down’ (with a calculation that takes seconds...) because the person literally said each application had ‘a tailored covering letter and a tweaked CV, and 1/3 even required a full application form’ which is literally not possible to a high standard in the time scales they discuss. So to say ‘why are you concerning yourself with this when I could apply to 100 jobs in a second’ ya you could, but not in the way this person says they did! 

If they weren’t using their ‘amazing’ job application rate as a stick to beat someone with then I don’t think anyone would have given it a second glance, nor bothered to crunch the few numbers it would take to render their claims ridiculous. 

I graduated with a 2:1 (averaged at 68%) from a top 10 UK university. It's not Oxbridge but my academics are quite decent. No one would have given anyone a second glance regardless of how good you think your application is. You have far too many people competing, it is a numbers game. You seem to think some people are so high and mighty they can afford to take their time applying for a few jobs and getting an interview when everyone else making hundreds of applications each week can't. The reality is you're not some golden egg, you're just another number in the large list of applications. Unless the employer is a friend of your relative they won't spend an extra minute looking at your application just because you spent several hours longer in your application compared to others.

You must have some serious personal issues that make you so unemployable.  A 2:1 from a top 10 university and you had to apply for hundreds of entry level jobs all over the country?  What was your degree in?

That's the wrong attitude to have, blaming oneself 

I generally would not encourage anyone to blame themselves, but in your case I think I would make an exception.

"try to eat foods not requiring cooking so you have extra time to job hunt."

That's special.

Manxman_in_exile

TeeTeeB said:

AW618 said:

TeeTeeB said:

KatrinaWaves said:

People are getting ‘bogged down’ (with a calculation that takes seconds...) because the person literally said each application had ‘a tailored covering letter and a tweaked CV, and 1/3 even required a full application form’ which is literally not possible to a high standard in the time scales they discuss. So to say ‘why are you concerning yourself with this when I could apply to 100 jobs in a second’ ya you could, but not in the way this person says they did! 

If they weren’t using their ‘amazing’ job application rate as a stick to beat someone with then I don’t think anyone would have given it a second glance, nor bothered to crunch the few numbers it would take to render their claims ridiculous. 

I graduated with a 2:1 (averaged at 68%) from a top 10 UK university. It's not Oxbridge but my academics are quite decent. No one would have given anyone a second glance regardless of how good you think your application is. You have far too many people competing, it is a numbers game. You seem to think some people are so high and mighty they can afford to take their time applying for a few jobs and getting an interview when everyone else making hundreds of applications each week can't. The reality is you're not some golden egg, you're just another number in the large list of applications. Unless the employer is a friend of your relative they won't spend an extra minute looking at your application just because you spent several hours longer in your application compared to others.

You must have some serious personal issues that make you so unemployable.  A 2:1 from a top 10 university and you had to apply for hundreds of entry level jobs all over the country?  What was your degree in?

AW618 said:

TeeTeeB said:

KatrinaWaves said:

People are getting ‘bogged down’ (with a calculation that takes seconds...) because the person literally said each application had ‘a tailored covering letter and a tweaked CV, and 1/3 even required a full application form’ which is literally not possible to a high standard in the time scales they discuss. So to say ‘why are you concerning yourself with this when I could apply to 100 jobs in a second’ ya you could, but not in the way this person says they did! 

If they weren’t using their ‘amazing’ job application rate as a stick to beat someone with then I don’t think anyone would have given it a second glance, nor bothered to crunch the few numbers it would take to render their claims ridiculous. 

I graduated with a 2:1 (averaged at 68%) from a top 10 UK university. It's not Oxbridge but my academics are quite decent. No one would have given anyone a second glance regardless of how good you think your application is. You have far too many people competing, it is a numbers game. You seem to think some people are so high and mighty they can afford to take their time applying for a few jobs and getting an interview when everyone else making hundreds of applications each week can't. The reality is you're not some golden egg, you're just another number in the large list of applications. Unless the employer is a friend of your relative they won't spend an extra minute looking at your application just because you spent several hours longer in your application compared to others.

You must have some serious personal issues that make you so unemployable.  A 2:1 from a top 10 university and you had to apply for hundreds of entry level jobs all over the country?  What was your degree in?

... nothing wrong with me as I received an interview offer roughly once a fornight,...

So you "roughly" got one interview offer for every 1400 applications you sent off?

How many years did you do this for?

Dakta

TeeTeeB said:

Dakta said:

If I'm allowed to be a bit more blunt, I did the maths really just to give a theoretic BS score to what was being said so I could gauge how seriously to take it.
Whilst the post has been responded to I don't think anyone actually suggests 100 serious applications have gone out in a working day window, though like you I do believe it's systematically and technically possible (we could write an app for it!) -  as long - as long as we remove 'serious' from that sentence. They wouldn't be serious applications, it would be... spam. Applications for applications sake with little prospect of success.

A little off topic but another reason to taylor a CV to each job is to ensure you don't get labelled incorrectly as spam or at least look suitable at the quickest glance. Unsolicited applications are a major problem for sifters, my old man when he ran a company had quite a lot when he tried to recruit a HGV driver and a shocking number didn't even have driving licenses.

I can't remember how many applications it took to find my last job (before i became self employed), I don't have a whole host of quais, nor experience in any particular field for that matter so I was looking for a general work. I'd estimate in a period of a few weeks I made about 20-30 applications, most didn't get responded to as you'd expect (irritating) - and you might find a few rants of mine in the past about it here - but interview for 3-4 and got offered one. Once I'd found a position I was interested in I would put a couple of hours into researching the company and CV tweakage. I'm not a recruitment guru, but even though the markets got a lot more competitive the 'apparent failure rates' been seen and mooted on here seems quite high.

Instead of making lame jokes about developing a bull*hit app to see how bull*hit my words are, let me tell you, I had an interview offer on average once per fortnight. I did fail a number of first interviews, and made it to a second interview a number of times, but the point is I got interviews. I received several job offers and was able to pick, and all of them paid rather well for entry level office jobs.

I also noticed for some odd reason I had to reset my password, probably because some moderator assuming I'm trolling because s/he is incapable of applying for the same quantity and quality of jobs I've been doing. Instead of doing petty things like resetting my password as if I'm some troll who doesn't remember my own email address so I can reset my password, learn to accept other people are simply more hard working than you in job hunting.

The average person in UK student studies 9-5 (or less if you include chatting) and barely puts in the effort, the average Asian literally studies from morning to night. That is the kind of ethic Asians develop since young age, we put in a lot of effort in job hunting after graduating. It's quite insulting when less incentivised job hunters accuse me and other hard working people of lying because we managed to put in this level of effort.

No jokes aimed at you, what i wrote about the app was a joke to the previous poster about one way you could get that amount of applications in in one bulk upload. Lost on you but don't worry it wasn't for you and there was no ill intent with it.

The stats, are, obviously BS. Even without ill intent there's just no real plausible way you could do that, so yeah, I suppose that's just that got to take the claim with a justified pinch of salt.

I'm not sure where the student discussion comes from, studying wasn't for me and personally I found at university it was a mix between hard works and slackers, though almost all graduated with something. That was years ago, currently self employed running my own business and doing IT contracting - on my team we have a blend of graduates and people like myself who worked our way in through other projects - I don't think really we can determine anything from their student status. We have had poor and awesome people from both sides, and it is pretty much accepted that having studied really means very little compared with attitude, general approach and things you can pick out either in the interview or within a short timeframe of them joining followed by a hasty departure if needs be.

There's a big difference between hard work and fast work, i'm in a situation where we deal with events that can halt the business operations until we've finished our work, and so there's a lot of pressure to get things wrapped up but quite frankly people who can't pace themselves and push for speed without any empthasis on quality tend to find their assignments do not last particularly long.

Whilst not directly related to job applications I do use that as an analogy to job applications, because even if you could do 100 applications a day, you'd really be expecting the result as well, and if you're not getting them, you're not doing something right, you might be working hard but dumb.

Based on my own job hunting in the past you could post a handful of quality applications per day and still have a good chance of success in a reasonable timeframe

studentman88

This is the same as me, no company wants to give me the chance

MovingForwards

studentman88 said:

This is the same as me, no company wants to give me the chance

Welcome back Sam, yours is attitude stopping you in your tracks.

Manxman_in_exile

studentman88 said:

This is the same as me, no company wants to give me the chance

Keep trying and don't give up!

(Apparently it would have been easier for you if your parents had been Asian...  and you wanted to churn out 100 applications all day, every day...)

Seriously, good luck.