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Is granting "Right of way" equivalent to adjusting boundaries of the property?

Hello,
Is granting "Right of way" over a driveway equivalent to adjusting boundaries of the property ? Couple of years back, I bought a new built house which has a driveway. the driveway is required by the neighbour to access their garage.  Last year we realised the neighbour was not granted a "right of way"   on the driveway and even our deed does not show that. This was verified by a solicitor. We reported this to developer. We were OK to provide the right of way but the developer is asking more than required and is pointing to a clause in the contract that states the "Seller may need to make adjustments to the boundaries of the property but these will not significantly alter its area or value and the Buyer confirm it will assist the Seller by entering into any deed varying the original Contract/Transfer plan as necessary".

My question is granting "Right of way" equivalent to adjusting boundaries? Any help will be appreciated.
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  • greatcrested
    greatcrested Posts: 5,925 Forumite
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    No. They are two different things.
    The boundary shows who owns the land.
    The ROW grants another person access over land they do not own.
    Have you checked the boundaries of your and your neighbor's properties via the LR Title Plans?
    Rather than hand over part of your land I'd grant a ROW, along with a Deed requiring the neighbour to contribute to any maintenance costs.
  • Maverickon
    Maverickon Posts: 12 Forumite
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    Hello greatcrested,
    Thank you for the reply. We checked the LR Title plans for our and neighbor's properties. Both the plans do not show right of way. This was confirmed by a solicitor as well.  As I said in my post, I am OK to grant the right of way to access their garage. But what the developer is asking in addition to this , is a right to use an unallocated parking space that is alongside/part of the driveway. The developer says it "needs to stay unallocated" as per the planning requirements and forcing us to give right of way to the neighbour on this space as well.  

  • mrschaucer
    mrschaucer Posts: 953 Forumite
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    Surely if the space is to be "unallocated" then everyone has the right to park in it.  That means your giving the world and his wife ROW over your  land ...
  • ProDave
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    If I understand this, YOU own the drive, you can access your property.
    Your neighbour does not own the drive and has no right of way over it to access his land.
    It is your neighbour that has a problem that needs resolving, not you, and it is your neighbour that needs to be discussing this with the developer.
    the developer may alter the boundaries thing is to allow them to move fence positions if needed. I know someone that ended up with a massive back garden when the developer failed to get permission for a couple more houses so that bit of land was then just divided up and the whole row got enlarged gardens.
  • Maverickon
    Maverickon Posts: 12 Forumite
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    Hello PrinceofPounds,
    Thank you for the detailed response. 
    1) Both houses have been sold. 
    2) It seems that the neighbour had approached the council over the unallocated parking space. The council said they will not be involved as the unallocated parking space is on private land.
    3)   I have been chasing the developer for 2 years on this matter, when in fact the neighbour needs the right of way more than I do.So far I have not blocked them from using the driveway. We are OK to provide ROW on the driveway, that has been our stand from day one. All this time developer agreed to this and now they come back asking ROW over the unallocated space.
    4) All the communication with the developer is going through our conveyance solicitor. This the same solicitor who acted on our behalf during the purchase. However the firm was recommended by the developer ( during the purchase) and we are losing confidence in them. So it looks like we need to consult someone ? Can we force the current solicitor and/or developer to re-imburse the cost if we use another solicitor ? Is there a way this can be done?
    5) We do not have good relations with the neighbour. the developer kept changing the draft of "deed of rectification" and every time they made a mistake it stressed us a lot as the neighbour used that as a tool to harass us. We reported this to our conveyance solicitor but they haven't helped us.We have not signed/agreed to any changes yet.
     



  • So in theory you could use the parking space as you are the only one with access to it? I’d at least want to share it. Parking is valuable and you don’t want to set a precedent that it belongs to the neighbour as you have no idea what may happen in the future 
  • gwynlas
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    You should check your household insurance in order to see if it will make a contribution to legal costs but it would be better for you to have a truly independant solicitor. You also need to inform your mortgage lender as this will affect the value of your property.
    Do you know if your neighbour used the same solicitor as they should have been aware of access issues to garage?
    Granting a ROW to neighbour who probably cannot park modern car in garage might set you up for problems in the future when your neighbour sells, there are numerous threads on the forum about shared driveways or ROW..
    If the garage is in fact a storage shed does the neighbour have pedestrian access from their house?
    What happens in the future when you might have a number of vehicles in the household  the road is full and you want to park on your drive do you want to move several vehicles so that your neighbour can access their garage?
    If you allow a vehicular ROW this will disbar you from parking your vehicle off road when on holiday for example.
    Your neighbours argument should be with the developer who should reimburse him for the loss of value of garage and off road parking.
  • princeofpounds
    princeofpounds Posts: 10,396 Forumite
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    edited 23 June 2020 at 6:10PM
    1) OK. So at root this is a legal dispute/negotiation between yourselves and your neighbour. Your developer should not be involved, except indirectly that your neighbour may have rights over the developer, who in turn may have rights over you. That is not at all clear at this stage, and won't be until you get good advice.

    2) Great. On the face of it, that would seem to take the pressure off any idea of planning enforcement (although it's not conclusive). So unless you are forced to do so through some kind of legal process, why on earth would you give up a right to park?

    3) Why on earth have you been chasing the developers? You do realise that you have just been chasing someone to take your rights away from you? Why not chase burglars to come relieve you of some of your property? (OK, I exaggerate, but you get the point). 

    4) Stop using this solicitor. They have a potential conflict of interest at two levels (developer and probably the neighbour too), and I'm not surprised you are losing confidence. This is not a simple conveyancing task, which is probably all they are set up to do. At the very least find a dispute specialist and go for an initial consultation; it will likely be free. You cannot force the current solicitor or the developer to re-imburse your costs, but you can refuse to co-operate until the developer or your neighbour 

    5) I was quite open to the idea of requiring minimal compensation in signing away your rights, to be cordial with your neighbour. But is he is not cordial with you, why the motivation?

    By the way, you don't have to rush. You don't lose anything from delay, and the neighbour is only using the driveway under license currently. Get better advice and consider your position.
  • Maverickon
    Maverickon Posts: 12 Forumite
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    Thank you all for the replies.
    @gwynlas
    Neighbour has a designated parking bay in front of their garage and the only way they can access their parking bay is over my driveway. 


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