Not having UPVC windows?

Brian_Pamo

I’m not allowed to advertise here but there is a company in Salford who manufacture Timber, PVC and composite doors etc

ytfcmad

grumbler said:

ytfcmad said:

 nobody with a big house money and taste would have PVC. 

Were there many real wood windows, not painted in white, before PVC came? Were white windows tasteless? Is white PVC worse than wood painted white?

The current growth market in the UK window sector is Aluminium. I've been involved with the Grand Designs program 3 times and each time my customers client (the householder) used Aluminium. Nobody paints wood anymore if you want White buy Ali or if that's too costly then it's PVC. Wooden windows are great if they are of the highest quality. I've been involved with a lot of product into the type of homes you see on GD for years, every single one was either Ali or Wood

ytfcmad

avoidtheupsidedownbottles said:

The new dark grey uPVC frames and doors look good, in my humble, but it's all personal preference.

That's Ral 7016 Anthracite Grey, next to White its the biggest selling colour for windows domestically and commercially currently in the UK.

grumbler

ytfcmad said:

grumbler said:

ytfcmad said:

 nobody with a big house money and taste would have PVC. 

Were there many real wood windows, not painted in white, before PVC came? Were white windows tasteless? Is white PVC worse than wood painted white?

The current growth market in the UK window sector is Aluminium. I've been involved with the Grand Designs program 3 times and each time my customers client (the householder) used Aluminium.

This is fashion (and, indeed, snobbery in some cases), not taste. Big difference. And, I think very few of 'GRAND designs' sort of people come to MSE for advice.

Teapot55

avoidtheupsidedownbottles said:

The new dark grey uPVC frames and doors look good, in my humble, but it's all personal preference.

We saw some today on a house & I have to say they looked really smart. 

Teapot55

ytfcmad said:

grumbler said:

ytfcmad said:

 nobody with a big house money and taste would have PVC. 

Were there many real wood windows, not painted in white, before PVC came? Were white windows tasteless? Is white PVC worse than wood painted white?

The current growth market in the UK window sector is Aluminium. I've been involved with the Grand Designs program 3 times and each time my customers client (the householder) used Aluminium. Nobody paints wood anymore if you want White buy Ali or if that's too costly then it's PVC. Wooden windows are great if they are of the highest quality. I've been involved with a lot of product into the type of homes you see on GD for years, every single one was either Ali or Wood

The windows of the house - built 2006 - I was alluding to in my original post had treated (possibly kiln-dried?) wood frames & grey metal (aluminium presumably) sub-frames. They were very smart. Not using plastic was de rigeur a few years ago but that seems to have all gone out of the window (pun intended) in these dystopian times. 

Teapot55

It’ll be a case in the end of achieving a balance between being environmentally friendly, budget & aesthetics. 

ytfcmad

grumbler said:

ytfcmad said:

grumbler said:

ytfcmad said:

 nobody with a big house money and taste would have PVC. 

Were there many real wood windows, not painted in white, before PVC came? Were white windows tasteless? Is white PVC worse than wood painted white?

The current growth market in the UK window sector is Aluminium. I've been involved with the Grand Designs program 3 times and each time my customers client (the householder) used Aluminium.

This is fashion (and, indeed, snobbery in some cases), not taste. Big difference. And, I think very few of 'GRAND designs' sort of people come to MSE for advice.

And your point is?

grumbler

My only point when quoting you first time was the word TASTE in your post.

Big money - yes. Big house - questionable. Taste- no.

Grenage

grumbler said:

FreeBear said:

Wood frames can ...last two or three times longer than a uPVC frame ever will.

Any evidence supporting this? I guess many from the very first PVC frames are still alive and, if were replaced, then mainly because of better designs became available, not because of deterioration.

With regard to discolouration, my 25+ y.o. PVC windows, despite very poor mechanical quality, are perfectly white.

That said, when comparing, I meant only aesthetics and "taste"

Most of our windows are the originals, so 115 years old.  Wooden windows can last forever but the maintenance is obviously much higher.