Universal Credit and SEISS

_tonybroke_

thanks poppy,much appreciated

calcotti

_tonybroke_ said:

oops 1 more question
what happens if i receive SEISS payment after the 29th,do I have to send my UC  back?
thanks again

No. SEISS is taken into account when the grant is received. It has no impact on UC already received.

calcotti

poppy12345 said:

Under normal circumstances if your UC is reduced to zero your claim will close. These are not normal circumstances and i beleive your claim will not close. If it does then you can do a rapid reclaim on your journal and you'll keep the same assessment period dates.

New regulations allow UC claim to stay open for up to five months after a nil entitlement 
the Universal Credit (Coronavirus) (Self-employed Claimants and Reclaims) (Amendment) Regulations 2020
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/522/contents/made
The regulations provide for the claim to be automatically treated as if a new claim had been made. I think the intention is that this discretionary power willing be exercised for all who receive SEISS and then have nil entitlement.

poppy12345

calcotti said:

poppy12345 said:

Under normal circumstances if your UC is reduced to zero your claim will close. These are not normal circumstances and i beleive your claim will not close. If it does then you can do a rapid reclaim on your journal and you'll keep the same assessment period dates.

New regulations allow UC claim to stay open for up to five months after a nil entitlement 
the Universal Credit (Coronavirus) (Self-employed Claimants and Reclaims) (Amendment) Regulations 2020
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/522/contents/made
The regulations provide for the claim to be automatically treated as if a new claim had been made. I think the intention is that this discretionary power willing be exercised for all who receive SEISS and then have nil entitlement.

Thanks, that's what i thought because i was sure i seen that you advised someone else of this too. Thanks for the link also.

calcotti

poppy12345 said: Thanks, that's what i thought because i was sure i seen that you advised someone else of this too. Thanks for the link also. 

It’s not entirely clear (surprise, surprise) how this discretionary power will be used but the link to SEISS is my interpretation of the intention behind the regulations.

Of course this is what used to happen when UC was first being rolled out.

Jeremy535897

calcotti said:

poppy12345 said: Thanks, that's what i thought because i was sure i seen that you advised someone else of this too. Thanks for the link also. 

It’s not entirely clear (surprise, surprise) how this discretionary power will be used but the link to SEISS is my interpretation of the intention behind the regulations.

Of course this is what used to happen when UC was first being rolled out.

The confirmation that grants and loans are to be disregarded as capital for 12 months is welcome, but presumably that means that if the claimant spends all his SEISS on online gambling, for example, there may be an impact down the line?

Martinm577

So on Monday I have to declare earnings for UC. My grant has not been paid out yet so earliest I’ll get it is Tuesday. So in theory I will get an extra £400 because the HMRC are not fast enough paying out. 😂 nice 

poppy12345

Martinm577 said:

So on Monday I have to declare earnings for UC. My grant has not been paid out yet so earliest I’ll get it is Tuesday. So in theory I will get an extra £400 because the HMRC are not fast enough paying out. 😂 nice 

Well that will depend whether the grant will be in your bank this assessment period or the next one. If it misses this one then it will affect your next UC so you may not get that extra £400.

Martinm577

Well it’s not in my bank. So payments don’t go in at weekends or bank holidays so declare earnings on the 25th to UC grant possibly in bank on the 26th. Back to work that day. So won’t need UC in June or ever again hopefully 

calcotti

Martinm577 said:

Well it’s not in my bank. So payments don’t go in at weekends or bank holidays so declare earnings on the 25th to UC grant possibly in bank on the 26th. Back to work that day. So won’t need UC in June or ever again hopefully 

That will have worked out well for you then.