Company cleaners back 1st June?

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A cleaner of a family house is not an essential worker. A cleaner of a commercial premises, factory, office, general place of work with staff operating within it is an essential worker, or that is at least how I see it. Boris has said that employees can return to to the work place if health and safety precautions are in place. I dont know if the Government were contacting all businesses or there was strict guidance to adhere to outlined on the Government website, however family households will simply not have these measures in place. You are not protected and as far as I see it have every reason to complain and request to work in a safe environment.

Jeremy535897

Daveym79 said:

A cleaner of a family house is not an essential worker. A cleaner of a commercial premises, factory, office, general place of work with staff operating within it is an essential worker, or that is at least how I see it. Boris has said that employees can return to to the work place if health and safety precautions are in place. I dont know if the Government were contacting all businesses or there was strict guidance to adhere to outlined on the Government website, however family households will simply not have these measures in place. You are not protected and as far as I see it have every reason to complain and request to work in a safe environment.

Cleaning people's houses is one example of where the government wants employees back at work, as set out in the extract I posted earlier.

jackieblack

My neighbour has been having their regular cleaning ladies in for the last few weeks. The family stays in their garden while the cleaners are in the house.

ETA I am in no way endorsing this

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Jeremy535897 said:

Daveym79 said:

A cleaner of a family house is not an essential worker. A cleaner of a commercial premises, factory, office, general place of work with staff operating within it is an essential worker, or that is at least how I see it. Boris has said that employees can return to to the work place if health and safety precautions are in place. I dont know if the Government were contacting all businesses or there was strict guidance to adhere to outlined on the Government website, however family households will simply not have these measures in place. You are not protected and as far as I see it have every reason to complain and request to work in a safe environment.

Cleaning people's houses is one example of where the government wants employees back at work, as set out in the extract I posted earlier.

I completely understand the a government wants people back to work but only in safe places of work. How can every home be considered a safe environment? What about landlords that want their HMO's cleaned for example. Is a cleaner expected to work knowing that all tenants have vacated for the day. I know that many of the HMO's around where I live have at least 10 people living under 1 roof. Hardly a safe environment and not somewhere I would want to be walking in to clean. 

NeilCr

Daveym79 said:

Jeremy535897 said:

Daveym79 said:

A cleaner of a family house is not an essential worker. A cleaner of a commercial premises, factory, office, general place of work with staff operating within it is an essential worker, or that is at least how I see it. Boris has said that employees can return to to the work place if health and safety precautions are in place. I dont know if the Government were contacting all businesses or there was strict guidance to adhere to outlined on the Government website, however family households will simply not have these measures in place. You are not protected and as far as I see it have every reason to complain and request to work in a safe environment.

Cleaning people's houses is one example of where the government wants employees back at work, as set out in the extract I posted earlier.

I completely understand the a government wants people back to work but only in safe places of work. How can every home be considered a safe environment? What about landlords that want their HMO's cleaned for example. Is a cleaner expected to work knowing that all tenants have vacated for the day. I know that many of the HMO's around where I live have at least 10 people living under 1 roof. Hardly a safe environment and not somewhere I would want to be walking in to clean. 

On the other hand my cleaner has been coming here for ten years. I live by myself and we trust each other. She is a friend now. We will follow the guidelines outlined in my earlier post. We can all find good and bad examples and (not that I am a fan of the PM) there is going to need to be common sense on all sides

Personally, I'd struggle more with the car sharing aspect. 

Splatfoot

I think this will open the door to a lot of 'well I'm going to people's houses, so I'm going to go to friends/family houses, what's the difference if we stay 2 metres apart' type scenarios. 

NeilCr

Splatfoot said:

I think this will open the door to a lot of 'well I'm going to people's houses, so I'm going to go to friends/family houses, what's the difference if we stay 2 metres apart' type scenarios. 

Tradespeople have been allowed/able to work in peoples houses all through this. 

I agree there is the aspect of why not go to family and friends  too - but that's an ongoing issue, which I don't think the government has really got to grips with. One of the questions to the PM yesterday was from a teacher who asked why it would be okay to be in front of kids but not visit her family. Not sure she got much of an answer other than they need to get the economy going

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Splatfoot said:

I think this will open the door to a lot of 'well I'm going to people's houses, so I'm going to go to friends/family houses, what's the difference if we stay 2 metres apart' type scenarios. 

Exactly that, I agree. 

Many cleaners don't just clean the 1 home a day. Maybe whilst just returning back things won't be as busy as normal but if say cleaners are doing on average 4 or five properties each day that should be a new pair of gloves worn for each home visit. Maybe even a new mask if they have one. I doubt many will be wearing appropriate PPE such as gloves, apron or other outer covering as both the cleaners we ever had in the past didn't wear gloves.

Are cleaning companies giving their employees the basics such as disposable gloves. What about the cloths and sprays used. Are they taken from 1 home to another or are cloths disposed of after each visit. There just are too many factors that I find a little unsettling this early out of lockdown. 

jackieblack

You don’t catch the virus from a house, you catch it from an infected person

It’s not the cleaning that is risky, it is contact with the homeowner and colleagues.

Andy_L

Jeremy535897 said:

Daveym79 said:

A cleaner of a family house is not an essential worker. A cleaner of a commercial premises, factory, office, general place of work with staff operating within it is an essential worker, or that is at least how I see it. Boris has said that employees can return to to the work place if health and safety precautions are in place. I dont know if the Government were contacting all businesses or there was strict guidance to adhere to outlined on the Government website, however family households will simply not have these measures in place. You are not protected and as far as I see it have every reason to complain and request to work in a safe environment.

Cleaning people's houses is one example of where the government wants employees back at work, as set out in the extract I posted earlier.

Domestic cleaners were only ever banned from working on the houses of those who were shielding or those who had symptoms of CV.
The block on them working was that their clients didn't want them coming in