Employer wants to only pay SSP but we have been furloughed as well

JReacher1

lalaland78 said:

JReacher1 said:

Also she won’t be claiming 80% of your salary from the government for the two weeks you are on SSP. I would be very careful who you spread this slur to as you’re accusing your boss of fraud. 

Hopefully she won't do it and she will be honest, but that's the impression she has been giving her employees, so she is "slurring" herself. That's why I wanted some clarification and I thought to ask on here.

It’s obviously up to you but if your boss finds our you’re accusing her of committing fraud then you’ll be sacked for gross misconduct. 

[Deleted User]

Well actually just a few minutes ago I was sent an email confirming that I will only get two weeks SSP and then two weeks 80% pay next pay day . Salaries were done last week and that is the situation. Thanks to those who have given proper advice rather than accusing me of trying to accuse my boss of fraud.

JReacher1

lalaland78 said:

Well actually just a few minutes ago I was sent an email confirming that I will only get two weeks SSP and then two weeks 80% pay next pay day . Salaries were done last week and that is the situation. Thanks to those who have given proper advice rather than accusing me of trying to accuse my boss of fraud.

You have accused your boss of fraud. You stated quite clearly that you were only being paid SSP while your boss was going to be claiming 80% of your wages from the government. 

This would be fraud......

[Deleted User]

I obviously have a lot to learn. So please enlighten me oh master full of knowledge. How should I have worded my message so that I received proper advice without accusing my boss of fraud? My question was "can she do that?" Obviously she can't...so why am I the one in the wrong? And seriously who are you?!?!

JReacher1

lalaland78 said:

I obviously have a lot to learn. So please enlighten me oh master full of knowledge. How should I have worded my message so that I received proper advice without accusing my boss of fraud? My question was "can she do that?" Obviously she can't...so why am I the one in the wrong? And seriously who are you?!?!

But it doesn’t appear she is doing that....

You wrote
“My question is can she do that even though she will be claiming 80% of our salary from the government?”

This states that she is putting you on SSP and claiming 80% of your salary from the government.  This is fraudalent behaviour so you are accusing her of committing fraud!

it appears you now realise she isn’t doing that so all I am doing is warning you if you that if you spread this slander around your local community and your boss finds out there is a good chance you will be sacked for gross misconduct. 

Comms69

lalaland78 said:

I obviously have a lot to learn. So please enlighten me oh master full of knowledge. How should I have worded my message so that I received proper advice without accusing my boss of fraud? My question was "can she do that?" Obviously she can't...so why am I the one in the wrong? And seriously who are you?!?!

No she cant do that. But you should be careful of who you mention your concerns to. Because one word from someone who you fall out with could cost you. That's just sensible advice.

Brynsam

lalaland78 said:

I obviously have a lot to learn. So please enlighten me oh master full of knowledge. How should I have worded my message so that I received proper advice without accusing my boss of fraud? My question was "can she do that?" Obviously she can't...so why am I the one in the wrong? And seriously who are you?!?!

Yes, you certainly do. Take note of the sensible comments made in response to your question. The most useful thing you could learn from this (and probably your boss too, assuming you've quoted her correctly) is that a certain level of precision is needed to get informed and accurate replies on this sort of forum. 

JustAnotherSaver

Reading through this, my take on it is so...

There's a lot of people on here who live in a perfect airy fairy world who think that employers can do no wrong and all employers are the most honest people in the world and all employees are the devil reincarnated, lazy as they come and they come to MSE to do nothing but lie and make excuses.
Yeah right. Some may but some people on here act like ALL employers are holier than thou.

So coming from the real world and knowing that while some employers do right by their employee (my partners employer is one such person in my view - has done fantastically well at protecting her staff) there are those who aren't the most honest people you've ever met.

Sounds to me like this employer was testing the waters so to speak. Employer has clearly had a fair few emails their way saying we're scared and we don't want to be at risk.
Employer has got the hump about it. Probably has a you should work at all costs and there's nothing wrong with expecting you to be willing to die for this job attitude. It's your job and your job should come before absolutely anything bar nothing.

So how dare you request to be off when there's nothing wrong with you. I'll teach you a lesson, i'll put you on SSP, the bare minimum you can get. See how you like it then.


Note to yourself ... there's nothing wrong with accusing your boss of fraud on here. So long as they can't identify you. If you say i work for such and such a company in such and such a town then that's daft, but you didn't do that. People are either overreacting that you've suggested fraud on a public forum
OR
they're suggesting that 'in real life' you should be careful what you say. Don't imply anything to your co-workers for example because someone could report you for whatever reason they wish. Maybe they want to climb the ladder at your expense, maybe they don't like you. Nothing wrong with saying what you said online though. I've no idea who you are or what county you even live in. I wonder also if my employer is doing everything above board. In fact i know for one thing they're not as they let slip but if i did anything about it then my work life would be made hell so it's pointless.

Not sure why they're furloughing you for 2 weeks though when the minimum is 3 weeks??

Comms69

JustAnotherSaver said:

Reading through this, my take on it is so...

There's a lot of people on here who live in a perfect airy fairy world who think that employers can do no wrong and all employers are the most honest people in the world and all employees are the devil reincarnated, lazy as they come and they come to MSE to do nothing but lie and make excuses.
Yeah right. Some may but some people on here act like ALL employers are holier than thou.

So coming from the real world and knowing that while some employers do right by their employee (my partners employer is one such person in my view - has done fantastically well at protecting her staff) there are those who aren't the most honest people you've ever met.

Sounds to me like this employer was testing the waters so to speak. Employer has clearly had a fair few emails their way saying we're scared and we don't want to be at risk.
Employer has got the hump about it. Probably has a you should work at all costs and there's nothing wrong with expecting you to be willing to die for this job attitude. It's your job and your job should come before absolutely anything bar nothing.

So how dare you request to be off when there's nothing wrong with you. I'll teach you a lesson, i'll put you on SSP, the bare minimum you can get. See how you like it then.


Note to yourself ... there's nothing wrong with accusing your boss of fraud on here. So long as they can't identify you. If you say i work for such and such a company in such and such a town then that's daft, but you didn't do that. People are either overreacting that you've suggested fraud on a public forum
OR
they're suggesting that 'in real life' you should be careful what you say. Don't imply anything to your co-workers for example because someone could report you for whatever reason they wish. Maybe they want to climb the ladder at your expense, maybe they don't like you. Nothing wrong with saying what you said online though. I've no idea who you are or what county you even live in. I wonder also if my employer is doing everything above board. In fact i know for one thing they're not as they let slip but if i did anything about it then my work life would be made hell so it's pointless.

Not sure why they're furloughing you for 2 weeks though when the minimum is 3 weeks??

Most people realise that employment is a voluntary exchange of labour for money; and that voluntary exchange is a two way street. Employers do things wrong all the time 

In this case suggesting people self isolate for 2 weeks is utterly pointless. 

Doesnt change the fact though, that self-isolation is a choice and that choosing to do so does not entitle you to be paid. 

People are working through this. Lots of people. So yes an employer can have an attitude of "you're expected to work if there's nothing wrong with you". No-one is saying your job should come before everything else. You can choose to quit if you want to. 

Here's the cold hard facts. Your employer doesnt have to furlough you. they can choose to make you redundant, today. End of story. anyone on furlough has a good employer.

JustAnotherSaver

Comms69 said:

Most people realise that employment is a voluntary exchange of labour for money; and that voluntary exchange is a two way street. Employers do things wrong all the time

You wouldn't think so, reading some of the replies on here.

Comms69 said:

In this case suggesting people self isolate for 2 weeks is utterly pointless. 

Doesnt change the fact though, that self-isolation is a choice and that choosing to do so does not entitle you to be paid.

Depends on what you're looking to achieve as to whether it's pointless.

Maybe the employer wants the employee to make a decision, so the employer can finger point and say YOU chose to stay off, you could've worked. Maybe they're of the opinion that nobody should be off and everyone should work (and not just their company). I know of people in my own company, top level people, who are not following any safety guidelines and openly make you feel stupid if you decide to 'be safe'. Sarcastic comments and the like.

Comms69 said:

People are working through this. Lots of people. So yes an employer can have an attitude of "you're expected to work if there's nothing wrong with you". No-one is saying your job should come before everything else. You can choose to quit if you want to.

It's not as easy as 'choosing to quit'. You may be able to walk in to a job tomorrow if you so wish but not everyone has that luxury. Some people like their job but they also want to be safe. Maybe their employer isn't doing enough as far as safety measures go. Maybe they are but they still feel they're at risk. Maybe they see the figures and they're worried about dying for their job. I know that last one certainly applies to me. I know people at work will laugh at me for that as it will mean i am 'soft' and 'not macho' but so be it. Maybe they're scared of no income, maybe they have a family to support and they worry about how soon they could get another job so they feel trapped. They want to work but they want to feel safe.

I don't understand why they wont furlough if they're closing down though, other than just wanting to make it difficult because they got the hump. If they're on SSP then the company is paying up. I never used to think the employer pays for the SSP but my employer said otherwise, they said they do and they don't get that money back so i'll assume that is correct info. If they're furloughed then the government are paying them.

I also don't understand how the OP is only to be furloughed for 2 weeks when the minimum is 3. Unless the employer is being difficult.