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Aretnap

bery_451 said:

Isn't the recent stimulus packages/bailouts, QE easing by the Governments by printing a lot of cash out of thin air or from their magic money tree & keeping interest rates low to artificially inflate the dying markets the biggest fraud itself making Enron's fraud look like nothing in comparison?

No. 

Also, if you are convinced that the stockmarket is dying, a fraud, and artificially kept on life support by a crooked government, why are you so interested in investing in it? 

EdGasketTheSecond

bery_451 said:

Isn't the recent stimulus packages/bailouts, QE easing by the Governments by printing a lot of cash out of thin air or from their magic money tree & keeping interest rates low to artificially inflate the dying markets the biggest fraud itself making Enron's fraud look like nothing in comparison?

Yes you got it exactly right. The dollar is one big lie, albeit the best there is, backed by nothing. Get some proper money while you still can i.e. gold and silver.

To the person who asked 'why would you want to invest then?' - obviously you have to play the hand dealt to you. So if the gov't is propping up the market with 'funny money' then it makes sense to invest there while it lasts as the real returns on cash are negative now.

Seldonista

EdGasketTheSecond said:

bery_451 said: 

Isn't the recent stimulus packages/bailouts, QE easing by the Governments by printing a lot of cash out of thin air or from their magic money tree & keeping interest rates low to artificially inflate the dying markets the biggest fraud itself making Enron's fraud look like nothing in comparison?

Yes you got it exactly right. The dollar is one big lie, albeit the best there is, backed by nothing. Get some proper money while you still can i.e. gold and silver.

To the person who asked 'why would you want to invest then?' - obviously you have to play the hand dealt to you. So if the gov't is propping up the market with 'funny money' then it makes sense to invest there while it lasts as the real returns on cash are negative now.

Wasn't there a thread recently about ignoring this sort of thing 🤣

bery_451

Aretnap said:

bery_451 said:

Isn't the recent stimulus packages/bailouts, QE easing by the Governments by printing a lot of cash out of thin air or from their magic money tree & keeping interest rates low to artificially inflate the dying markets the biggest fraud itself making Enron's fraud look like nothing in comparison?

No. 

Also, if you are convinced that the stockmarket is dying, a fraud, and artificially kept on life support by a crooked government, why are you so interested in investing in it? 

You just opened my eyes, thanks 
Everybody in the stock market is doomed then according to you.

bery_451

EdGasketTheSecond said:

bery_451 said:

Isn't the recent stimulus packages/bailouts, QE easing by the Governments by printing a lot of cash out of thin air or from their magic money tree & keeping interest rates low to artificially inflate the dying markets the biggest fraud itself making Enron's fraud look like nothing in comparison?

Yes you got it exactly right. The dollar is one big lie, albeit the best there is, backed by nothing. Get some proper money while you still can i.e. gold and silver.

To the person who asked 'why would you want to invest then?' - obviously you have to play the hand dealt to you. So if the gov't is propping up the market with 'funny money' then it makes sense to invest there while it lasts as the real returns on cash are negative now.

Lets not forget decentralised digital assets like bitcoin too   

dont_look_now

Either capitalism continues ... in which case you want to own businesses, which in practical terms means shares in businesses listed on stock markets.

Or capitalism is replaced with some other system, in which access to resources isn't determined by accumulation of capital ... in which case, it doesn't really matter what you do with your capital, because that won't be so vital.

So it is basically Pascal's wager, but with capitalism in place of god. (And if you don't think capitalism is our new god, you haven't been paying attention.) If capitalism continues, you'll be best off owning shares. And if it doesn't, it doesn't matter where you put your money. So own shares.

AnotherJoe

bery_451 said:

Hi coming back,

Which is the most reliable way for long term investing or even volatile day trading for choosing undervalued stocks that are below Intrinsic value?:

• P/E Ratio, why it must be 25 or less?

• EPS

• DDM Dividend Discount Model

• Higher than Average Dividend Yield in %

Is DDM same as Average Dividend Yield?

What is P/B ratio and why should it be 3 or less?

When it comes to working out the Average Dividend Yield in %, which past time frame gives the best accurate info? 5 years or 10 years or Max available chart History since company market entrance?

What does it mean for a company to have a consistent dividend growth at least 8%?

What does it mean for a company to have a low payout ratio of 75% or less?

What does it mean for a company to have a low debt of 70% or less?

How do I check the company credit rating?

Which is the best free website out there that gives all the info mentioned above? Is it just Yahoo Finance & Tradingview?

Does a stock screener means it analyses everything mentioned above and gives a traffic light result on screen from a click of a button?

Whats the best free website that analyses what was said above from easy simple clicks or do I have to visit several websites that may not be free to obtain data to compile then make up my own decision?

to repeat another poster "The problem is not only the time and effort required to answer your long list of questions but also the time and effort required to untangle the misunderstandings that underlie your questions."

Or to put it another way, if it was as simple as you think that from that list, eg run some maths, out pops a share guaranteed to make you money,  some smart folks with high powered computers would have tied it all up and you wouldn't stand a chance anyway.

Thrugelmir

dont_look_now said:

Either capitalism continues ... in which case you want to own businesses, which in practical terms means shares in businesses listed on stock markets.

Companies are delisting all the time. With no need to raise capital they can stay private. No benefit in having a public listing. 

Aretnap

Seldonista said:Wasn't there a thread recently about ignoring this sort of thing 🤣

Ignoring what sort of thing? 🙈🙉🙊

Seldonista

dont_look_now said:

Either capitalism continues ... in which case you want to own businesses, which in practical terms means shares in businesses listed on stock markets.

Or capitalism is replaced with some other system, in which access to resources isn't determined by accumulation of capital ... in which case, it doesn't really matter what you do with your capital, because that won't be so vital.

So it is basically Pascal's wager, but with capitalism in place of god. (And if you don't think capitalism is our new god, you haven't been paying attention.) If capitalism continues, you'll be best off owning shares. And if it doesn't, it doesn't matter where you put your money. So own shares.

I love a good point well made.
There have been capitalistic free market economies since before the time of Christ, even the Soviet Union was capitalistic, problem was the state held all the capital. So I don't think you even need to bring in Pascal's wager.  though we may think capitalism unique to the modern era (since 1650 ish) it has been the nature of civilisation for far longer.