LCWRA reassessment?

twhitehousescat

when i recieved the form i was about 100-105 days short of pension the send date was 22nd march and on the 02/042020 i am 
i cannot get thru to DWP , but have rung the people who do medicals , he was simpathetic and almost helpful , if i FAIL to return form they will stop benifit , he could not give much more info as he didnt know what was happening 

Robbie64

poppy12345 said:

twhitehousescat said:

I am watching carefully as I have recieved the form and have untill 22nd of april to reply (esa) , but in my case the "elephant in the room" is that I go onto state pension on 4th july https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76971765#Comment_76971765

the more i read , it looks like people will not get a face to face at all this year 

Yes, i also received one to be sent back by 13th April. I was hoping i would have heard from them extending the time to return it but haven't heard anything at all. No idea how or why they expect us to return these forms with everything that's going on! It's ridiculous! I haven't even started filling it out yet

I don't think there's any scope for the assessment provider to allow longer to return a form other than if a file is marked as someone being a vulnerable person with mental health problems. In that case the person can take as long as they want as the claim can't be suspended or closed and can only be progressed by a face-to-face appoiuntment.

The DWP should have done what they've done with PIP. Everyone has been given an extra 3 months to return their PIP reassessment forms. And even then there's a three to six month backlog before the PIP form will be dealt with. I'm not sure what the current backlog is for the AP looking at ESA forms.

Robbie64

twhitehousescat said:

when i recieved the form i was about 100-105 days short of pension the send date was 22nd march and on the 02/042020 i am 
i cannot get thru to DWP , but have rung the people who do medicals , he was simpathetic and almost helpful , if i FAIL to return form they will stop benifit , he could not give much more info as he didnt know what was happening 

It's the date of the review that matters not when the form was sent out. The form is supposed to be sent out about 8 weeks before the review date (or to use the DWP official term, the prognosis date). Either there has been a backlog in your area which means the form was sent out later than it should have been or your review date is within three months of you reaching SPA. If the latter the DWP should follow its own guidance and stop the WCA process.

Spoonie_Turtle

Robbie64 said:

poppy12345 said:

twhitehousescat said:

I am watching carefully as I have recieved the form and have untill 22nd of april to reply (esa) , but in my case the "elephant in the room" is that I go onto state pension on 4th july https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76971765#Comment_76971765

the more i read , it looks like people will not get a face to face at all this year 

Yes, i also received one to be sent back by 13th April. I was hoping i would have heard from them extending the time to return it but haven't heard anything at all. No idea how or why they expect us to return these forms with everything that's going on! It's ridiculous! I haven't even started filling it out yet

I don't think there's any scope for the assessment provider to allow longer to return a form other than if a file is marked as someone being a vulnerable person with mental health problems. In that case the person can take as long as they want as the claim can't be suspended or closed and can only be progressed by a face-to-face appoiuntment.

The DWP should have done what they've done with PIP. Everyone has been given an extra 3 months to return their PIP reassessment forms. And even then there's a three to six month backlog before the PIP form will be dealt with. I'm not sure what the current backlog is for the AP looking at ESA forms.

Interesting, do you have a source for that? I wonder if new claims have any grace period beyond the usual 2-week extension?

twhitehousescat

sorry I do not know "review date"but as you say "8 weeks before" , would take the letter i have here to read 22 may? (8 weeks after letter?) in which case that would be less than 2 mths before state pension 

I know this is someone elses thread (sorry to jump in) , counsil help , who i phoned suggested i ring dwp on 17th and ask for extension , but reading shows , they do not give them , guy at medical assesments "underlined" "must be returned by" 
unlike previous yrs , i,m not to bothered either way and if it comes to it . i will stand income for a month *

*job centre not bothering people once signed on for maybe 6 mths?

Robbie64

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Robbie64 said:

poppy12345 said:

twhitehousescat said:

I am watching carefully as I have recieved the form and have untill 22nd of april to reply (esa) , but in my case the "elephant in the room" is that I go onto state pension on 4th july https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76971765#Comment_76971765

the more i read , it looks like people will not get a face to face at all this year 

Yes, i also received one to be sent back by 13th April. I was hoping i would have heard from them extending the time to return it but haven't heard anything at all. No idea how or why they expect us to return these forms with everything that's going on! It's ridiculous! I haven't even started filling it out yet

I don't think there's any scope for the assessment provider to allow longer to return a form other than if a file is marked as someone being a vulnerable person with mental health problems. In that case the person can take as long as they want as the claim can't be suspended or closed and can only be progressed by a face-to-face appoiuntment.

The DWP should have done what they've done with PIP. Everyone has been given an extra 3 months to return their PIP reassessment forms. And even then there's a three to six month backlog before the PIP form will be dealt with. I'm not sure what the current backlog is for the AP looking at ESA forms.

Interesting, do you have a source for that? I wonder if new claims have any grace period beyond the usual 2-week extension?

I read it somewhere, not sure if it was in a thread here or over at Rightsnet. I think whoever posted it said it was a recorded announcement when you phone the PIP telephone line.

twhitehousescat

sorry last question , as you know dwp impossible to contact , however they are answering phone at assesment centre , will they know review date , can they do anything or is this all down to dwp 

Robbie64

twhitehousescat said:

sorry I do not know "review date"but as you say "8 weeks before" , would take the letter i have here to read 22 may? (8 weeks after letter?) in which case that would be less than 2 mths before state pension 

I know this is someone elses thread (sorry to jump in) , counsil help , who i phoned suggested i ring dwp on 17th and ask for extension , but reading shows , they do not give them , guy at medical assesments "underlined" "must be returned by" 
unlike previous yrs , i,m not to bothered either way and if it comes to it . i will stand income for a month *

*job centre not bothering people once signed on for maybe 6 mths?

The review date (or the prognosis date) is the date that is input on the ESA system as the date when your PIP should be reviewed by. The date is arrived at by the Decision Maker at the DWP taking into consideration the recommended period of time that the assessment provider gives when completing the assessment report after a face-to-face assessment or a paper based assessment. It runs from the date of the assessment. So if you had an assessment on, say 1 April 2020 with a one year review date recommendation your review / prognosis date would be 1 April 2021.

In order to ensure that the Work Capability Assessment is undertaken on time the DWP usually send out the ESA50 about 8 weeks before that date. This is to give time for the ESA50 to be sent out, returned, to give the assessment provider time to check the form, arrange an assessment and get the report back to the DWP (in theory this should work but it sometimes takes longer for the whole process to run from start to finish). The DWP don't always start the process on time so while the ESA50 should be sent about 8 weeks before hand backlogs can mean that they are sent out a bit later than they should be.

If the DWP were up to date, your ESA50 being sent on 22 March would suggest your review date is about 8 weeks after that, and well within 91 days of you reaching state pension age. It is possible that your review date is before 4 April and the DWP were just a bit slow in sending out the ESA50. But you'll not know until you can speak to someone at the DWP. The assessment provider won't have that sort of information, it's held on the DWP ESA computer system.

Spoonie_Turtle

Robbie64 said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Robbie64 said:

poppy12345 said:

twhitehousescat said:

I am watching carefully as I have recieved the form and have untill 22nd of april to reply (esa) , but in my case the "elephant in the room" is that I go onto state pension on 4th july https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76971765#Comment_76971765

the more i read , it looks like people will not get a face to face at all this year 

Yes, i also received one to be sent back by 13th April. I was hoping i would have heard from them extending the time to return it but haven't heard anything at all. No idea how or why they expect us to return these forms with everything that's going on! It's ridiculous! I haven't even started filling it out yet

I don't think there's any scope for the assessment provider to allow longer to return a form other than if a file is marked as someone being a vulnerable person with mental health problems. In that case the person can take as long as they want as the claim can't be suspended or closed and can only be progressed by a face-to-face appoiuntment.

The DWP should have done what they've done with PIP. Everyone has been given an extra 3 months to return their PIP reassessment forms. And even then there's a three to six month backlog before the PIP form will be dealt with. I'm not sure what the current backlog is for the AP looking at ESA forms.

Interesting, do you have a source for that? I wonder if new claims have any grace period beyond the usual 2-week extension?

I read it somewhere, not sure if it was in a thread here or over at Rightsnet. I think whoever posted it said it was a recorded announcement when you phone the PIP telephone line.

Oooh I've most found reference to it:
"Q. How long do I have to return the ‘How My Disability Affects You’ form, commonly known as a PIP2?
A. A message on the PIP inquiry phone line as of today, April 2nd 2020 , says the time limit for returning this has been extended from 4 weeks to 90 days. It says the 90 days starts from the date you received it. We think this should say 90 days from the date on the covering letter that came with it." https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/coronavirus-updates

Excellent, I'm so glad you mentioned that, thanks!

poppy12345

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Robbie64 said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Robbie64 said:

poppy12345 said:

twhitehousescat said:

I am watching carefully as I have recieved the form and have untill 22nd of april to reply (esa) , but in my case the "elephant in the room" is that I go onto state pension on 4th july https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76971765#Comment_76971765

the more i read , it looks like people will not get a face to face at all this year 

Yes, i also received one to be sent back by 13th April. I was hoping i would have heard from them extending the time to return it but haven't heard anything at all. No idea how or why they expect us to return these forms with everything that's going on! It's ridiculous! I haven't even started filling it out yet

I don't think there's any scope for the assessment provider to allow longer to return a form other than if a file is marked as someone being a vulnerable person with mental health problems. In that case the person can take as long as they want as the claim can't be suspended or closed and can only be progressed by a face-to-face appoiuntment.

The DWP should have done what they've done with PIP. Everyone has been given an extra 3 months to return their PIP reassessment forms. And even then there's a three to six month backlog before the PIP form will be dealt with. I'm not sure what the current backlog is for the AP looking at ESA forms.

Interesting, do you have a source for that? I wonder if new claims have any grace period beyond the usual 2-week extension?

I read it somewhere, not sure if it was in a thread here or over at Rightsnet. I think whoever posted it said it was a recorded announcement when you phone the PIP telephone line.

Oooh I've most found reference to it:
"Q. How long do I have to return the ‘How My Disability Affects You’ form, commonly known as a PIP2?
A. A message on the PIP inquiry phone line as of today, April 2nd 2020 , says the time limit for returning this has been extended from 4 weeks to 90 days. It says the 90 days starts from the date you received it. We think this should say 90 days from the date on the covering letter that came with it." https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/coronavirus-updates

Excellent, I'm so glad you mentioned that, thanks!

I notice there''s Q and A's on that link and i seen this ..

Q. Can I be found Fit for Work (fail the Work Capability Assessment,) without having attended a face to face assessment?
A. Yes, the decision as to whether you are Fit for Work will be based on a paper or phone assessment. There is no requirement in law that says that the health care provider must carry out a face-to-face assessment.

Surely that's incorrect? They can't find you fit for work without a face to face assessment?