VCS Berkeley Precinct Sheffield

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mkv123 said:

I'm really struggling with how to find the landowner. That was the first thing I tried to do but I found myself unable to get anywhere. I would appreciate any help with this or advice on how in particular to do this as I traced it to a company but whenever I try calling anyone, due to the current situation, people aren't manning the phones (I believe).

The NTK did arrive late so should be non POFA but the way they dated has made it so that if you assume the royal mail delivers in two days, then it made it on time and its conveniently not postmarked. I don't think I can argue this point right?

There is significant on-site signage apart from one side with no signs at all. Could I argue this? In terms of planning permission, they have permission for two signs at the entrance but they have erected some other signs so I am noting that and putting in an enforcement request on those.

My main hope remains invalid contract for the fine in that they should only be allowed to charge after two free hours but that requires getting the contract between VCS and the landowner and as I don't even know who the landowner is I'm a bit stumped on that one.

Again I'd really appreciate any help or insight regarding these points.

Ask the council who pays the non-domestic business rates. That should give you an idea who the landowner is. For a definitive answer, pay a few quid to get a copy from the Land Registry for a definitive answer.


You ask whether you can use the late arrival of the NTK as a defence point but you haven't given us the dates as requested. In any case, you should use it and put it as a statement of truth that it did arrive late, then let the judge decide who is telling the truth.
In addition, have you checked the wording as already suggested to see if it is compliant. 

Always argue that the signage is inadequate and provide your own pics and site plan to back it up. If there are more signs than were approved then complain to the council.


You will get a copy of the landowner contract at the evidence stage, so aver in your defence that either they don't have one at all or if the contrary is proved, it allows two hours parking so no parking breach occurred and you should never have got a PCN in the first place. Once you have sight of the contract then you can complain to the council, DVLA, and ICO in addition to the standard complain to your MP.
I doubt the contract meets the requirements of the Companies Act 2006 either. More on that when you have seen the contract.

BossHogg

My daughter fell foul of this same parking scam at Berkeley Centre. Appealed on the basis that the signs all clearly say 2h max, yet she parked fro 1:40m and landed a £100 charge. They replied saying that by appealing she had confirmed herself to be the driver and, then some seemingly contradictory statements about "a valid ticket must be purchased for all vehicles which park/enter" then "to park in excess of the free hour a valid ticket must be purchased on arrival".
She was meeting up to have a coffee with a  friend at the Costa and they stayed only 1:40 to make sure not over 2hrs, yet got teh £100... certainly will never be going back there. I dont understand why the businesses put up with this attack on their customers.
She has appealed via IAS (before I pointed to this forum), on basis of misleading signage (especially given her dyslexia). Sounds like we will need to have our day in court.
Any advice welcome (not to take over this thread though).

BossHogg

Picture of the offending signs, showing how clear it is that 2hrs allowed.

D_P_Dance

Why are you posting on someone else's thread?  Please start your own.