Will employer pay for Coronavirus self-isolation?

Tooskint

I think you should check wth gp what rules are as this is due to being a public health risk and you have been ordered to quarantine yourself it compulsory.

Undervalued

There is no legal requirement for the employer to pay anything above SSP (from day four onwards) assuming the employee qualifies and has a doctor's certificate from day eight onwards. Any company sick pay is almost always at the employer's discretion.

BrassicWoman

spadoosh said:

BrassicWoman said:

BelowTheLine said:

spadoosh said:

cheshirescat said:

spadoosh said:

To be fair, your post did come across to me like you were ranting at the OP.

To me too It's all the "how do you expect" stuff. There's a subtext of "durrr, you idiot" in that kind of  question. "Have you considered?" softens it a lot.

I think thats working on the basis that i consider myself a bastion of all knowledge, i do not. Have you considered im aware i dont know who im talking to as such can not determine their levels of idiocy?

Well hold on. When you say "Thanks for that, could you reword my post in such a way that it doesnt come across as a rant? I was asking questions that i had considered that the OP might not have. I dont know how to ask a question differently, than asking the question?
Like i said help me out. Willing to take on board feeedback. Just saying im ranting isnt helping me going forward. "

I don't then expect you to completely reject the feedback. 
So..um.. nope, I'm out!
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This is a whole can of worms. Say you were working with someone who had young children or was pregnant, or just frail.

Since you were advised to self isolate and didn't you could open yourself up to liability. You employer could be liable for basically forcing you to work.

And yours is just one case. As this spreads there are going to be all kinds of unusual circumstances.

Undervalued

[DELETED USER] said:

This is a whole can of worms. Say you were working with someone who had young children or was pregnant, or just frail.

Since you were advised to self isolate and didn't you could open yourself up to liability. You employer could be liable for basically forcing you to work.

And yours is just one case. As this spreads there are going to be all kinds of unusual circumstances.

What about individual responsibility?

Why do some people expect the employer to always carry the can? The employer already meets the cost of SSP (not the state) and is obliged to pay that much at least in most cases.

Every winter we get questions on here along the lines of "bad weather prevented me from getting to work, will I still get paid"? How is that the employer's fault?

Stevengee

The OP is on a zero-hour contract with a company that pays no contractual sick pay. If they are offered a shift (fully at the employer's discretion) and go to work, they get paid.

How much more "individual responsibility" can one have in an employment scenario in the UK?

Crumble2018

I don't get sick pay either, and self isolation for 2 weeks would mean my bills don't get paid.  So I'd be going to work regardless of government advice!

millwalls

If the coronavirus threat is as serious as made out to be, the government should take serious measures to prevent its spread and back it up with actual resources.

If it isn't, then it needs to stop acting like it is and stoking unnecessary panic.

This halfway house of "advising" people to "self-isolate" is an absolute nonsense, and serves no purpose but to create the impression that they are Doing Something when they're not.   

Potbellypig

BrassicWoman said:

BelowTheLine said:

spadoosh said:

cheshirescat said:

spadoosh said:

cheshirescat said:

Thanks for that. As I thought, it doesn't look like there's any obligation to pay. Knowing my manager, he definitely feels no "strong moral responsibility to ensure that employees feel safe and secure in their employment".

This is a proper BS statement from ACAS. 
Your manager needs staff for the company to make money. With no or fewer staff there is no or fewer monies available. How do you expect them to pay you when youve not earned/saved them any money? Its like me saying you have a moral obligation to ensure your neighbour feels safe and secure in their house. Then a gang of 30 hoodlums comes up to their door trying to attack them. How do you feel about upholding that kind of moral obligation? 
What happens if the person who pays your wages has recently been on abroad and theyre are told to self isolate? How do you pay people when you dont have the person who pays people to pay them?

What happens when they pay you an average wage and in 6 months when all is back to normal you can pay back your moral obligation by working for free to make up the hours theypaid you for? You going to do that on a zero hour contracts for a boss you clearly have little regard for?

I don't understand why you are shouting at me? I fully agree with your opinion that this is BS, the quote was included because of how silly and lol it sounded to me.

And it isn't ACAS, it's the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development.

No shouting, asking questions. There is nothing to suggest i am shouting at you. 

There is also nothing to suggest you thought it sounded silly and lol. Nothing. 

You can assume from my post and i cant take what youve actually written. C'mon? Help us out. 

To be fair, your post did come across to me like you were ranting at the OP.

To me too It's all the "how do you expect" stuff. There's a subtext of "durrr, you idiot" in that kind of  question. "Have you considered?" softens it a lot.

Passive aggressive 

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Undervalued said:

What about individual responsibility?

If you are going to be made homeless because you can't pay the rent, or if your kids won't be able to eat because you have no money, and it's a question of you possibly being infected and possibly not... Well a lot of people would feel that the responsible thing is to not let their kids starve or become homeless.

The government's "you can apply for Universal Credit" is a really sick joke.