Advice for my son who has been sacked

motorguy

0161a wrote: »

The neighbour was like a father figure

With respect, thats immaterial and no defence.

They've sacked him, they've had various reasons, and they've followed process. Hes been there less than two years so has little rights.

He - and you - need to move on now and concentrate on him getting another job.

motorguy

0161a wrote: »

I would really appreciate some advice-long story cut short.
My 21 year old Sonhas been working for a company doing sales and had been top salesperson and had been very successful.
Earlier last year, he suddenly became very depressed and had some time off. Sometime later he went back and there was a new manager there , my son felt that she was gunning for him , made comments about his voice being too loud, etc. I suggested that he raised the issue with HR but he didn't want to.
Stupidly, he took out his phone to check for a message he was waiting for. This lady saw him and he got two letters, one for the time off sick and one for the sick leave and 1 for the phone. He also filled in a form allowing the employer to have access to his medical records. At this point, he felt unwell and returned to the GP who put him back on antidepressants.
This week a neighbour who has been like a father figure to him was admitted to hospital

Yesterday, he was feeling very anxious and went to the toilet -taking his phone with him. He checked about the neighbour , switched the phone off and then the exited the toilets, only to walk into the manager who he feels is gunning for him. He got a letter last night to take home and had his disciplinary tonight and was sacked.
He knows he shouldn't have used the phone but he said he was feeling really anxious about the neighbour
He knows that he should not have used the phone but thought that it would be ok as he was out of the office area and was trying to get news on the neighbour. He is absolutely devastated and really liked working there.
My question is: has he got any grounds for appeal?

With respect, having worked in Call Centre management roles for many years, being a "top sales person" doesnt mean they have some get out of jail free card RE: other rules such as mobile phone use, etc. Also speaking too loudly CAN be very disruptive for other team members on a Call Centre floor.

Maybe his previous manager gave him free reign and the new one was attempting to get him to toe the line?

0161a

No, she has been there for some time and is one of the managers. There was an incident a few weeks ago when with the agreement of the others he asked for the air con to be turned up. This manager walked past while he was on the phone and said" OOh so you get your way with the air con-to cold for you ahh"
Childish and unprofessional

motorguy

0161a wrote: »

No, she has been there for some time and is one of the managers. There was an incident a few weeks ago when with the agreement of the others he asked for the air con to be turned up. This manager walked past while he was on the phone and said" OOh so you get your way with the air con-to cold for you ahh"
Childish and unprofessional

Fairly irrelevant frankly, and again, hardly something he can rush back to an appeal with as damning evidence against her.

Whether or not this person had it in for your son or not, she had him on various disciplinaries and could have sacked him for wearing his tie crooked as he'd been there less than two years anyway.

Sadly he's clearly !!!!ed someone off in a position of authority over him and she has put him out.

It sounds like the warning bells have been going off for some time and your son chose to ignore them.

Its a lesson he'll have to learn from and move on.

Theres nothing he - or you - can do about it.

Sea_Shell

Just make sure he now knows that when he gets a new job, you have to be 100% squeaky clean in everything you do at work, keep your head down, work hard, do everything you're told, AT LEAST until you've worked there 2 years.

Although that is still no guarantee that he won't be "let go" from any new job within 2 years!

That's another of the reasons why MSE bangs on about saving an emergency fund, so if you do lose your job, it's not the end of the world, immediately.

Does he usually save some of his wages....or is he at the "easy come easy go" phase of life? (some people never grow out of that one!!)

Jonathan_Kelvin

0161a wrote: »

No, she has been there for some time and is one of the managers. There was an incident a few weeks ago when with the agreement of the others he asked for the air con to be turned up. This manager walked past while he was on the phone and said" OOh so you get your way with the air con-to cold for you ahh"
Childish and unprofessional

What are you actually looking for here? Your son has been sacked for repeatedly failing to comply with the rules of his employment.

Instead of casting around for reasons to claim that this is unfair why not sit him down and explain that he is supposed to be an adult now, that crying about fairness should have been left behind in the playground, and that he needs to learn from this and do better next time?

KatrinaWaves

Disability legislation does not allow people to use their phones at work... he wasn’t sacked for sickness!

muffintop885

I really empathise with you being dismissed is just horrible

I have similar situation but been long time since on this site. Could mod remind me how to start my thread pls

elsien

Go back into the employment forum, forum tools. Start a new thread.

KatrinaWaves

Employers should deal with everyone with respect. Being disabled does not entitle you to extra respect, it entitled you to adjustments to be able to do your job as well as a non disabled person.

It does not give you carte Blanche to check your phone at work on the toilet, especially when you have previously been warned for doing the same thing.

Conflating checking your phone at work with mental health is pointless as the two are not related.