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Martyn1981

pile-o-stone wrote: »

Bikes are the solution, not the problem. I think the answer is to ban cars from cities:
https://www.treehugger.com/cars/ban-cars-in-cities.html

I don't know if bikes only is a solution that can be 'sold' to everyone, but I agree that cycling is a massive part of the solution. Especially now that we have such great E-bikes, so those that are unfit, unhealthy, have hilly commutes etc. can also enjoy a cycle.

I recall a study a year or so back that found that E-bikes were just as good for health, as those using them were encouraged to do more / go further than they would on a normal bike, so they ended up doing as much cycling, just spread over more mileage. Cool.

Cardew

Although this is getting off subject, I largely agree about cycling. However the dangers of cycling should not be ignored - see https://www.bikeparts.co.uk/blogs/blog/cycling-accident-statistics


A large increase of 'born again' cyclists would inevitably add to those statistics.


I worked in Central London for many years and there is a virtual war between cyclists and other motorists.

pile-o-stone

Cardew wrote: »

Although this is getting off subject, I largely agree about cycling. However the dangers of cycling should not be ignored - see https://www.bikeparts.co.uk/blogs/blog/cycling-accident-statistics


A large increase of 'born again' cyclists would inevitably add to those statistics.


I worked in Central London for many years and there is a virtual war between cyclists and other motorists.

If cars are taken out of the equation, then the accident stats would fall off a cliff. You're victim blaming cyclists ('born again" or otherwise). The main problem is is attentive and dengerous/poor drivers. As a motorcyclist I have lost count of the number of cars that edge into the lane next tome on motorways and dual carriageways because their drivers are texting. Then you have the boy racers blasting about everywhere...

JKenH

Cyclists In the wrong place cause a huge amount of congestion which translates to increased pollution and CO2. Buses and lorries crawling along as they are unable to overtake. I remember on a twisty section of one of the trans-Pennine routes north of Sheffield coming across a line of traffic about half a mile long behind what appeared to be an elderly cyclist struggling with the gradient. Once a fully laden 40 tonne HGV is down to 5mph it needs a big gap to accelerate past a cyclist.

My wife is a keen leisure cyclist but recognises there is a time and a place for it.

Continuous, not fragmented, cycle lanes are needed but where are we going to put them in our cities? Delivery lorries and inconsiderate motorist will still park on them.

Anyway what’s all this got to do with Tesla’s?

JKenH

The same story the world over. Peaks and troughs in EV take up caused by government policy. It is impossible to get a handle on just how well Tesla is doing against this back drop.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3532259-new-tesla-registrations-nearly-halve-in-california

ABrass

JKenH wrote: »

The same story the world over. Peaks and troughs in EV take up caused by government policy. It is impossible to get a handle on just how well Tesla is doing against this back drop.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3532259-new-tesla-registrations-nearly-halve-in-california

It's worth remembering that it's a year on year decrease being reported. Which means it is comparing Q4 2018 with Q4 2019.

That was the last quarter before the subsidies halved, which meant that Tesla were dumping every car they could make or scrape up from demonstrator fleets into the US market.

Since then they've started delivering to other markets around the world. Heck they only started delivering the model 3 in the UK and China half way through 2019.

But there is a glimmer of hope, in a sense. Now the federal tax credits for Tesla have expired it should be a smoother sales pattern in the future for the US.

Cardew

pile-o-stone wrote: »

You're victim blaming cyclists ('born again" or otherwise). ...

Pray tell me where I am blaming anyone?



As that article clearly shows, increased numbers of cyclists means increased accidents and a scraped bodywork on a 'guilty' car can mean a lot more to the two wheeler.

pile-o-stone

Cardew wrote: »

Pray tell me where I am blaming anyone?

As that article clearly shows, increased numbers of cyclists means increased accidents and a scraped bodywork on a 'guilty' car can mean a lot more to the two wheeler.

I saw "born again" as a derogatory verb intended to illicit thoughts of inept and dangerous cyclists, practically throwing themselves under cars due to their lack of skills. If that was not your intention, then I apologise.

Regardless of your intention, there is a prevalence of victim blaming, Old Ken did it just before when he was moaning about cyclists getting in his way on country roads. Perhaps he should leave more time for his journey, drive carefully and enjoy the beauty of the Pennines? Alternatively choose a transpennine route that is barred for cycles and other slower moving vehicles - such as the M62.

JKenH

pile-o-stone wrote: »

Regardless of your intention, there is a prevalence of victim blaming, Old Ken did it just before when he was moaning about cyclists getting in his way on country roads. Perhaps he should leave more time for his journey, drive carefully and enjoy the beauty of the Pennines? Alternatively choose a transpennine route that is barred for cycles and other slower moving vehicles - such as the M62.

Think of all the extra CO2 generated by driving at 70 on the motorway and it’s much further.

I moan about horses as well. The huge amount of CO2 generated by a stream of cars having to accelerate again having had to slow down for a horse or cyclist is good enough reason in my view to ban them from main roads or make them pay RFL.

I am though a huge fan of cycle racing.

pile-o-stone

JKenH wrote: »

Think of all the extra CO2 generated by driving at 70 on the motorway and it’s much further.

I moan about horses as well. The huge amount of CO2 generated by a stream of cars having to accelerate again having had to slow down for a horse or cyclist is good enough reason in my view to ban them from main roads or make them pay RFL.

It's well known that a car has better fuel efficiency and therefore fewer emissions when cruising on a motorway than on A & B roads (AKA the 'urban cycle').

Do you moan about tractors, scooters and slow lorries that get in your way too? I see a pattern here. Perhaps you need to understand that you and your car is not the centre of the universe and other people have as much right to the road as yourself?