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  • mark55man
    mark55man Posts: 8,209 Forumite
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    so been a bit of a flat week, just one day in the office and a lot of being inside at home given lethargy and general f3cklessness.  Looks like I will maybe be 1lb lighter by the end of the week, better than flat but representing not quite being as strict as necessary.

    Moneywise - OK - some XMAS spends going out, a big dent is looming in my EF as DD2 moves to London to seek her fortune so will need to top her deposit from previous flat.  will be sad but excited  to see her go, but glad to get rid of some of the furniture we are storing for her.  

    Just about to do my mid month budget check - I'll be back, but feels like a cheap one apart (as ever) from Groceries 
    I think I saw you in an ice cream parlour
    Drinking milk shakes, cold and long
    Smiling and waving and looking so fine
  • savingholmes
    savingholmes Posts: 28,971 Forumite
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    You are still taking so many positive steps to chang eyour life for the better. Keep celebrating how far you've come. £30K improvement in a year is stupendous! To add weight loss on top in such a weird year is also really good
    Achieve FIRE/Mortgage Neutrality in 2030
    1) MFW Nov 21 £202K now £174.8K Equity 32.77%
    2) £2.6K Net savings after CCs 6/7/25
    3) Mortgage neutral by 06/30 (AVC £24.3K + Lump Sums DB £4.6K + (25% of SIPP 1.2K) = 30.1/£127.5K target 23.6% 29/7/25
    4) FI Age 60 income target £16.5/30K 55.1%
    5) SIPP £4.8K updated 29/7/25
  • mark55man
    mark55man Posts: 8,209 Forumite
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    Hi there TIAL.  As you might imagine a bit busy this weekend with DD2 - just off to pick up a Van to take the rest of her stuff (mainly furniture and kitchenware).  We had KFC last night - I was very good and only had the chicken, but it was so good. 

    I'll give you my view on the world in a bit more detail when I'm back home later today (or maybe over a day or so), but broadly if you've been paying into pensions all your working life you are broadly OK although it does depend on what sort and how much.  The first thing you need to do is list them and whether they are final salary (aka defined benefit) or money purchase (aka defined contribution).  That's your first piece of research !!

    Laters!!
    I think I saw you in an ice cream parlour
    Drinking milk shakes, cold and long
    Smiling and waving and looking so fine
  • mark55man
    mark55man Posts: 8,209 Forumite
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    Hi @there_is_a_light_2

    Where you should start - is a difficult question as it does depend on how much you picked up, but broadly I would say try the following
    • As suggested above, create a clear list of what you already have - pension provider, pension type, money invested and fund selections  (this will be bread and butter for later decision on what to do)    
    • Regularly start reading the posts in the Pensions forum - that will give you a list of topics you should be thinking but not worried (yet) about 
    • A number of those threads will be about ensuring you are aware of your state pension entitlements.  if you've been working most of your life, but it should be OK - broadly under new scheme you need 35 qualifying years, but depending on where your pensions were some years might not count
    So the above advice will help you understand what your current position is, then the next bit is planning for the future:
    • Firstly - what is your number - ie what do you need to live off in retirement - especially important to consider if you will be with or without a partner - and if with you need to think about if how the other would cope if one of you passes early
    • What's the gap between your expected benefits from your pensions and that number (a whole world of difference between guaranteed money like the state pension and any pension pots you have which you may need to manage to provide an income
    • What's your investment/funding strategy for the gap - if you stick it all under the mattress you can guarantee that you won't lose a penny, but that every penny you keep won't have kept up with the cost of living
    • So you need to balance how long you have to retirement against how much volatility in your pots - experts argue even they can't time the market its all about having a blend of investments - many pensions offer you an element of choice, and some offer lifestyle funds that take the decisions, you just have to decide how much risk
    • Over the long term (as long as you are not reckless) more risk will provide better returns but more volatility - if you have less time then you have less time to recover if it all goes Pete Tong so you need to be more cautious  
    The other point of confusion is that the investments you need are different from the investment vehicles you use:
    • So investment classes are things like equity (eg shares in companies or funds holding shares), bonds (either government or commercial - these are loans and value depends on interest rates and reliability of the issuer), then commercial or residential property, resources, .... - even Peer to peer lending or other cash like vehicles
    • Investment vehicles (not classic cars) are like pensions, or ISAs, or LISAs, and they can all contain the various investment classes (plus or minus a few special rules) but have different treatment under tax and the pros and cons will depend on your tax position now and your tax position when you retire  (quite a few people are higher rate when working and lower rate when retired which works well).
    • Pensions you pay your money in gross of tax (sometimes from the company - or sometimes via a rebate of tax on net contribution), but when you take it out you pay tax on it.  Broadly pensions don't impact on other benefits as long as you are not over retirement age
    • ISAs you invest your money net (ie after tax) but when you withdraw it, you do so tax free.  LISAs etc are similar but with different rules for different government objectives
    Broadly you should be looking to ensure that you can balance the growth and then withdrawal of your funds so that you have every likelihood of being able to get to the end of your life without a financial disaster !!.  Couple of last points:
    • you have to decide if you would rather run out of money before you die or die before you run out of money
    • you have enough time to consider this carefully, if I recall from your diary you have uni age kids so this is coming soon, but not on there.  don't do anything rash - there are plenty of scammers out there so only use trusted organisations and you can't do anything before you are 55 (currently - rising over the next 10 years)
    • also some things - like taking money from your money pots can (but not always) trigger consequences in terms of limits on any future pension contributions - you should seek advise from Pensionwise or an Independent Financial Advisor, and not some random Smith's fan on the internet
    There you go - good luck - don't forget the pension board is full of professionals and they are very helpful to genuine enquiries
    I think I saw you in an ice cream parlour
    Drinking milk shakes, cold and long
    Smiling and waving and looking so fine
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