CE parking ticket appeal template

Rangerblue

Hi,
The keeper of the vehicle received a PCN via post requesting a payment of £100 (due in 28 days)/ £60 if paid within 14 days.
The driver of the vehicle was attending a genuine private clinic appointment and parked at the site for approx 40min.
The issued PCN issued shows two pictures with car showing plate numbers. It also mentions from and to date and time.

The keeper has drafted the following template for appeal. However, was not sure about the point highlighted in red as the PCN already states that the car was parked for 40mins. A grace period of 20 mins then doesn't make sense. Could you please advice on this?

Thanks

Re PCN number: XXXXX

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.


Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Keeper of vehicle name and address

KeithP

Send the already written for you blue template appeal easily found in post #1 of [URL="https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822NEWBIES thread[/URL].

Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations needed.

Send it as the keeper.

Have you complained to the clinic manager?

Rangerblue

Thanks for your reply.

The keeper upon receiving the letter visited the website of the clinic visited by the driver and noted that it requests patients to register at the reception. The driver did not do this as this was a second appointment and did not remember to do it and visited the second reception desk straightaway.

Redx

Rangerblue wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.

The keeper upon receiving the letter visited the website of the clinic visited by the driver and noted that it requests patients to register at the reception. The driver did not do this as this was a second appointment and did not remember to do it and visited the second reception desk straightaway.

the first task is always a complaint to the landowner, in this case, the clinic, irrespective of the circumstances, its a case of "just do it" , especially if it was a genuine and recordable visit by a patient, visiting a website is not a complaint to the practice manager !!!!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles

the blue text appeal is the second option, before the 28 day deadline expires

Coupon-mad

The keeper has drafted the following template for appeal. However, was not sure about the point highlighted in red as the PCN already states that the car was parked for 40mins. A grace period of 20 mins then doesn't make sense. Could you please advice on this?

Yes, just remove that bit and add instead:

It is noted that Civil Enforcement have stopped using the POFA wording in your Notice to Keepers, so you cannot hold a registered keeper liable. As such, you will lose at POPLA because the driver will not be identified in this case and I am appealing as keeper.

Please do not come back and tell us CEL insist on you ticking a box saying if you were the driver or not. No, they don't. Leave it unanswered.

But tell us first, what happened when you complained to the CLUELESS clinic, whose Mangers need a slap for signing up with this parking shark, and who can cancel these easily.

Of course the first step is complaining to the landowner and no newbie needs us to tell them that obvious step - anyone in your shoes would complain before being directed to try some shoddy 'appeal against this scam.

Be careful NOT to say who parked. You can easily complain without saying that.