Being filmed like a criminal.

Pollycat

dekaspace wrote: »

Basically, these aren't for the customers benefit but the businesses, sure they take a hit without them. But it is becoming more and more like rather than provide a good service and make money from it, it now becomes you have to do as we say to shop here.

I go into a shop, I select the items I want, I pay, I leave the shop.
I can't see why some posters are making it so hard.
Nobody is going to catch me doing anything illegal because I don't do anything illegal.
You are being recorded as you walk down the street.

dekaspace

Pollycat wrote: »

I go into a shop, I select the items I want, I pay, I leave the shop.
I can't see why some posters are making it so hard.
Nobody is going to catch me doing anything illegal because I don't do anything illegal.
You are being recorded as you walk down the street.

If thats the case why not have a camera on you 24/7?


We know you get a camera on you walking down the street, I believe this is more about a direct invasion of privacy.


On a side note there has been occasions in the past when I have accidently had something in my trolley that I forgot to scan, normally something worth under £1 but once was something worth about £4, I didn't know what to do.


Imagine store staff coming up to me and accusing me of stealing.

suki1964

dekaspace wrote: »

If thats the case why not have a camera on you 24/7?


We know you get a camera on you walking down the street, I believe this is more about a direct invasion of privacy.


On a side note there has been occasions in the past when I have accidently had something in my trolley that I forgot to scan, normally something worth under £1 but once was something worth about £4, I didn't know what to do.


Imagine store staff coming up to me and accusing me of stealing.

Basically you are on camera 24/7 as it is and if SiFI can be believed those in power can log into your own private cams, the ones on your PCs, your phones, doorbells. Basically if a camera is using the WIFI, its not private


If you leave the store with items you have "forgotten" to pay for, its theft

Now Im sure then some of us do miss the odd item ( pretty hard when you take the items out of the trolly/scan/put in bag ) by accident, imagine how many do on purpose? Surely seeing yourself going through the self scan big screen means you are very unlikely to "forget" to take something out of your trolly?

dekaspace

suki1964 wrote: »

Basically you are on camera 24/7 as it is and if SiFI can be believed those in power can log into your own private cams, the ones on your PCs, your phones, doorbells. Basically if a camera is using the WIFI, its not private

If you leave the store with items you have "forgotten" to pay for, its theft

Now Im sure then some of us do miss the odd item ( pretty hard when you take the items out of the trolly/scan/put in bag ) by accident, imagine how many do on purpose? Surely seeing yourself going through the self scan big screen means you are very unlikely to "forget" to take something out of your trolly?

I have a cam but I block it when not in use, my mobile has data and wifi and bluetooth turned off when not in use, I don't have a smart meter as I don't want any potential spying etc.

For forgetting to pay, even when using self service sometimes I have been a bit tired and accidently when going through the motions put 2 things in at once, and even if I have used a normal checkout something might of fallen into a gap in trolley its more like lets say you have 5 of an item and scan through 4 and loose count, on the flip side I have been overcharged on many occasions sometimes by a few £ a time normally a simple answer like a reduced item hasn't scanned right, or the price on shelves is different than what it scans as and walked off and came back to be told tough or it was too late as I left the store.

And I know full well about people stealing things, even around the mid 00's I remember a story about how someone got arrested for sticking a reduced label on a large screen tv and scanned it and took it away, of course his biggest mistake was the fact it was a 20p sticker or something that small.

But finally, the costs of theft are factored into prices already just like things supermarkets sell at a loss I can see this more being about how dare someone steal anything from us rather than for the customers benefit.

Pollycat

dekaspace wrote: »

I have a cam but I block it when not in use, my mobile has data and wifi and bluetooth turned off when not in use, I don't have a smart meter as I don't want any potential spying etc.

For forgetting to pay, even when using self service sometimes I have been a bit tired and accidently when going through the motions put 2 things in at once, and even if I have used a normal checkout something might of fallen into a gap in trolley its more like lets say you have 5 of an item and scan through 4 and loose count, on the flip side I have been overcharged on many occasions sometimes by a few £ a time normally a simple answer like a reduced item hasn't scanned right, or the price on shelves is different than what it scans as and walked off and came back to be told tough or it was too late as I left the store.

And I know full well about people stealing things, even around the mid 00's I remember a story about how someone got arrested for sticking a reduced label on a large screen tv and scanned it and took it away, of course his biggest mistake was the fact it was a 20p sticker or something that small.

I think you need to take more care when shopping.
I really do.

And maybe you should start checking your receipt before leaving the store so that any overcharges can be sorted out straight way.

Two wrongs do not make one right.

dekaspace wrote: »

But finally, the costs of theft are factored into prices already just like things supermarkets sell at a loss I can see this more being about how dare someone steal anything from us rather than for the customers benefit.

But if people continue to steal items, then more cost of thefts are going to be factored in to prices.

I'd rather shops do something to deter that behaviour than that happen.

Do you feel you'd rather pay ever increasing prices to retain your privacy?

suki1964

dekaspace wrote: »

I have a cam but I block it when not in use, my mobile has data and wifi and bluetooth turned off when not in use, I don't have a smart meter as I don't want any potential spying etc.

For forgetting to pay, even when using self service sometimes I have been a bit tired and accidently when going through the motions put 2 things in at once, and even if I have used a normal checkout something might of fallen into a gap in trolley its more like lets say you have 5 of an item and scan through 4 and loose count, on the flip side I have been overcharged on many occasions sometimes by a few £ a time normally a simple answer like a reduced item hasn't scanned right, or the price on shelves is different than what it scans as and walked off and came back to be told tough or it was too late as I left the store.

And I know full well about people stealing things, even around the mid 00's I remember a story about how someone got arrested for sticking a reduced label on a large screen tv and scanned it and took it away, of course his biggest mistake was the fact it was a 20p sticker or something that small.

But finally, the costs of theft are factored into prices already just like things supermarkets sell at a loss I can see this more being about how dare someone steal anything from us rather than for the customers benefit.

You cant put two thing through as one - you get the unexpected item in the baggage area warning and the light calling for assistance goes off and you cant proceed till everything has been checked and cleared

If something has fallen through a "gap" in the trolley then surely its landed on the floor so you have actually not noticed and left it behind?


If you are leaving things in the trolley you see them as you push your trolley through.Even if you have bags in your trolley, once you lift them you see any "forgotten items" If you are not rectifying any mistake, you are purposely stealing

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Supermarkets have already paid the manufacturers for the items they sell on their shelves, if you take something and it's not paid for deliberately or accidentally the result is the same, a loss to the supermarket and they have to recoup those losses somehow so prices rise. Every theft is paid for by honest customers in the form of price increases. As an honest customer I resent very much having to subsidise dishonest customers! so as an honest customer I say 'how dare you steal from me because when you steal from the supermarket that's what you're doing'!

dekaspace

Pollycat wrote: »

I think you need to take more care when shopping.
I really do.

And maybe you should start checking your receipt before leaving the store so that any overcharges can be sorted out straight way.

Two wrongs do not make one right.


But if people continue to steal items, then more cost of thefts are going to be factored in to prices.

I'd rather shops do something to deter that behaviour than that happen.

Do you feel you'd rather pay ever increasing prices to retain your privacy?

I doubt it would happen though, prices wouldn't go down.

The thing about overcharges is you don't instantly often know, if its a big shop and you have similar items you may think something is correct, and sometimes it can be as simple as being charged twice for same item. I always check receipt but like anything mistakes can be made.

suki1964 wrote: »

You cant put two thing through as one - you get the unexpected item in the baggage area warning and the light calling for assistance goes off and you cant proceed till everything has been checked and cleared

If something has fallen through a "gap" in the trolley then surely its landed on the floor so you have actually not noticed and left it behind?

If you are leaving things in the trolley you see them as you push your trolley through.Even if you have bags in your trolley, once you lift them you see any "forgotten items" If you are not rectifying any mistake, you are purposely stealing

Don't forget I am autistic and can get confused, the way I pack things is just shove in a backpack or if I haven't enough space I have a spare large carrier so I don't check, and sometimes I may have similar items.

By falling into a gap its normally things like cheese, I mostly buy this reduced so it can get jammed in a gap, and since I have purchased more than one at a time.

And yes of course the unexpected item message can go off, I have had that problem many times in past normally as I use a backpack and it doesn't like it on the scales or a seperate error has occured and the staff manually reset it.

With all that happening and being tired/stressed/autistic mistakes can happen.

There would be a difference if say I had something like a pack of meat in the trolley that I didn't pay for rather than say a 25p reduced item, if I was packing items and I found it either way I would pay but if I was on bus home i'd think not worth the effort.

And that's before we bring in the fact you may have bought items from a different store, I have had things like Asda and Lidl side by side and done a big shop at once, or gone into one store picked up items then gone to another and they have had reduced things.

In short mistakes can happen, people are ok with things until it happens to them

Pollycat

dekaspace wrote: »

I doubt it would happen though, prices wouldn't go down.

We're not talking about prices going down.
We're talking about them not going up.

dekaspace wrote: »

The thing about overcharges is you don't instantly often know, if its a big shop and you have similar items you may think something is correct, and sometimes it can be as simple as being charged twice for same item. I always check receipt but like anything mistakes can be made.

Do you do a big shop?
I understood you lived on your own.
Even when we do a big shop, I still stand just inside the store and check every item.
It easier to do that than try to go back and be told:

dekaspace wrote: »

tough or it was too late as I left the store.

dekaspace wrote: »

Don't forget I am autistic and can get confused, the way I pack things is just shove in a backpack or if I haven't enough space I have a spare large carrier so I don't check, and sometimes I may have similar items.

By falling into a gap its normally things like cheese, I mostly buy this reduced so it can get jammed in a gap, and since I have purchased more than one at a time.

And yes of course the unexpected item message can go off, I have had that problem many times in past normally as I use a backpack and it doesn't like it on the scales or a seperate error has occured and the staff manually reset it.

With all that happening and being tired/stressed/autistic mistakes can happen.

There would be a difference if say I had something like a pack of meat in the trolley that I didn't pay for rather than say a 25p reduced item, if I was packing items and I found it either way I would pay but if I was on bus home i'd think not worth the effort.

It sounds to me that you are aware of potential problems.

I'm not sure how a store would view the fact that you've walked off with a pack of meat or slab of cheese that you haven't paid for.

dekaspace wrote: »

And that's before we bring in the fact you may have bought items from a different store, I have had things like Asda and Lidl side by side and done a big shop at once, or gone into one store picked up items then gone to another and they have had reduced things.

In short mistakes can happen, people are ok with things until it happens to them

You keep receipts.
Just in case.
I sometimes pop into WHS and buy a TV magazine.
I always keep my receipt because it's likely I'll go into Tesco Metro who also sell TV magazines.

There won't be a mistake about something like that with me.
In fact a camera would prove that I've not stolen a TV magazine from Tesco, even though there's one in my bag.

I have no idea if my points aren't valid to you because of your autism.

suki1964

dekaspace wrote: »

I doubt it would happen though, prices wouldn't go down.

The thing about overcharges is you don't instantly often know, if its a big shop and you have similar items you may think something is correct, and sometimes it can be as simple as being charged twice for same item. I always check receipt but like anything mistakes can be made.


Don't forget I am autistic and can get confused, the way I pack things is just shove in a backpack or if I haven't enough space I have a spare large carrier so I don't check, and sometimes I may have similar items.

By falling into a gap its normally things like cheese, I mostly buy this reduced so it can get jammed in a gap, and since I have purchased more than one at a time.

And yes of course the unexpected item message can go off, I have had that problem many times in past normally as I use a backpack and it doesn't like it on the scales or a seperate error has occured and the staff manually reset it.

With all that happening and being tired/stressed/autistic mistakes can happen.

There would be a difference if say I had something like a pack of meat in the trolley that I didn't pay for rather than say a 25p reduced item, if I was packing items and I found it either way I would pay but if I was on bus home i'd think not worth the effort.

And that's before we bring in the fact you may have bought items from a different store, I have had things like Asda and Lidl side by side and done a big shop at once, or gone into one store picked up items then gone to another and they have had reduced things.

In short mistakes can happen, people are ok with things until it happens to them

Ok so Im in Northern Ireland so maybe our stores are different?

But the way we work is take a trolley or basket, walk round the store putting what we wish to purchase in said recepticle and head to a check out to pay for it

Go to a manned check out and we empty the basket on to the belt and place the obviously empty basket under the checkout.Or unload the trolley placing the goods on the belt and then push the obviously empty trolley through in front. Go to the far end of the check out and pack our bags, pay, check receipt and leave

Go to self serve. place basket on one side or push trolley to that side. Put bag on packing area. Press the button to say you are using own bag so thats weighed and accounted for. Then remove one item at a time, pass over the scanner and place in the bag.

You know when you say finish and pay because lo and behold, the basket or trolley is empty

Then place bag with paid for goods back in empty trolley and move forwards, check receipt , return trolley to bay and continue on ones way.


Even if you decide not to pack direct into a bag as you go, its obvious that only the things on the bagging area are paid for so they are the ones you bag - nothing else

Is that not how check outs work in Scotland and England anymore?

Now don't get me wrong, I remember many many moons ago ( before you were born ) mum putting a gallon of squash on the shelf under the trolley and getting to the car before she saw it, so sent my sister back to pay for it. But that would have been a young mum with 3 kids in tow, one still in a pram trying to get the weeks shop on a Friday night after work back in the days when we didn't have late night shopping. That was obviously a genuine oversight and she was mortified. Shows how much of a impact it had on me that I remember it over 50 years later