Forged gas safety certificate

Alison70

HampshireH wrote: »

Very bizarre thing for the agent to admit.

Are you sure they haven't visited whilst you are out? (Just to cross it off incase thats what they come back with)

Yeah, the date they claim the second full check took place I was in all day. Moreover, when I said to the estate agent that this second engineer had clearly committed fraud by supplying a certificate he got into a fluster and mentioned this second engineer had based the certificate on previous experience in the property. That he had been looking after the property for years. Think he was rather taken off guard by my assertiveness on the matter since he revealed his company were complicit in the intention to ignore the previous engineers concerns and create a gas safety certificate without an actual full check having taken place in recent months.

AdrianC

Alison70 wrote: »

There are clues, actually. Visibly. And it's not a carbon monoxide issue.

Go on...

Having spoken in detail with the people at the Gas Safety Register

On the Sunday afternoon/evening before Xmas?

they said the first engineer should have immediately disconnected the gas

So they've been out to test it? I'm very impressed.

A quick Google of 'gas safety certificate fraud' enlightens me that it is not unheard of. Indeed, last year a a Waltham Forest landlord and his gas safety engineer were prosecuted for such offenses.

How many landlord GSCs are issued per year?

Alison70

AdrianC wrote: »

Go on...


On the Sunday afternoon/evening before Xmas?


So they've been out to test it? I'm very impressed.

Last week actually. I also called the local council. I posted here because I was interested in people who have had similar experiences, particularly with regards the effect on tenancy.

I've noted a general theme in your posts in this forum. You seem to like to fill any gaps of knowledge on your part with negative projections with the aim of undermining the cause of tenants. I just hope you're not a landlord, for your tenants sake.

AdrianC

Alison70 wrote: »

Last week actually. I also called the local council.

Ah, the drip-drip-drip of pertinent information.

Alison70

For anyone reading this who may have concerns over the safety of their kitchen then I can confirm this: any hob that is causing distress to a material next to it is unsafe. No question. (This comes directly from the experts at the Gas Safety Register).

AdrianC

So it's purely that the location of the hob is wrong, too close to something? I presume "causing distress to" is a euphemism for "singeing"...

Alison70

As a reminder, this post isn't just about an unsafe kitchen set up but also the fraudulent procurement of a gas safety certificate.

robatwork

Make sure you don't come back and update this thread with how it turns out in 3 months.

Alison70

robatwork said:

Make sure you don't come back and update this thread with how it turns out in 3 months.

Okay, so to update:

I was let out of my tenancy with no penalty and received compensation.

Jumblebumble

AdrianC said:

Alison70 wrote: »

Adrian, that first sentence is quite an appalling thing to say given that it could merely be a matter of time until it does kill someone.

Or it might not be.

If it was a fault that was actually causing a danger, rather than merely being outside the tickboxes for giving a cert, there would have been some clue by now.

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I personally do not understand how anyone could consider a gas safety certificate that was issued fraudulently could be considered anything other than completely unacceptable

The unfortunate tenant is supposed to have peace of mind and not be subjected to worrying about if they are in danger
I have been in the same situation 20 odd years ago as the OP where by the DNO condemned the boiler as being cobbled together from 2 separate boilers and cut off the gas but the Corgi engineer sent by the landlord disagreed and said it was safe.
I was not interested in what the Corgi man had to say at all.
I simply told the agent I wanted out and that if the landlord would not cooperate I would be standing outside their shop advising anyone who came to see them that they were willing to rent properties with boilers  that the DNO deemed unsafe
My Missus and our kids moved out very soon after