Audi A3 1.8T around a 2007 plate

JustAnotherSaver

Ah damnit, someone has already made my point about the engine. Missed that.




born again, since you're crunching numbers, i'll give you some proper numbers:

17/01/2019 172821 173169 1.18.9 £ 50.87 347.5 42.78 36.93 02/02/2019 173169 173492 1.18.9 £ 48.69 323.8 40.95 35.95 21/02/2019 173492 173867 1.19.9 £ 56.17 375 46.85 36.39 10/03/2019 173867 174179 1.19.9 £ 46.80 311.1 39.03 36.24 24/03/2019 174179 174460 1.19.9 £ 43.01 281.8 35.87 35.71 07/04/2019 174460 174728 1.22.9 £ 42.02 267.6 34.19 35.58 13/04/2019 174728 174876 1.23.9 £ 23.01 148.2 18.57 36.28 05/05/2019 174876 175263 1.38.9 £ 60.31 386.4 46.3 37.94 26/05/2019 175263 175506 1.29.9 £ 38.98 243.6 30.01 36.90 16/06/2019 175506 175804 1.26.9 £ 46.45 297.5 36.6 36.95 07/07/2019 175804 176143 1.26.9 £ 50.47 339 39.77 38.75 24/07/2019 176143 176489 1.27.9 £ 50.52 345.5 39.5 39.76 11/08/2019 176489 176800 1.29.9 £ 44.34 311.4 35.21 40.21 25/08/2019 176800 177063 1.28.9 £ 38.91 262.4 30.19 39.51 31/08/2019 177063 177263 1.28.9 £ 30.38 200.3 23.57 38.63 15/09/2019 177263 177532 1.28.9 £ 44.08 269.1 35.13 34.82 29/09/2019 177532 177799 1.28.9 £ 41.13 266.8 33.46 36.25 13/10/2019 177799 178066 1.28.9 £ 43.48 266.6 33.73 35.93 27/10/2019 178066 178347 1.28.9 £ 47.42 281.6 36.79 34.80 17/11/2019 178347 178662 1.28.9 £ 52.09 315.1 40.41 35.45 06/12/2019 178662 179026 1.25.9 £ 56.81 363.5 45.12 36.62

Oh !!!!!!. It looked ok in the text but went all weird once i hit post. Nevermind. As it'll take a bit of separating, the figures go in the format of, date / miles at the start / miles at the end / pence per litre / cost of fuel up / miles covered on journey / litres put in / MPG.

born_again

JustAnotherSaver wrote: »

born again, since you're crunching numbers, i'll give you some proper numbers:
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Well if you have done that, then there is no point.
We can only go by the figures you posted to start with.

Why not just post the answer you got for a period?

Have you found any petrol cars of the age you are looking at that will do 45+MPG.?

mluton

I had a 1.8T Octavia vRS 53 plate, 10 years ownership Superb Motor, Got old, maintenance got expensive, Fuel got expensive, Av. 38mpg, 300 Miles per week commute & business.

I have a 2.0tdi DPF Passat 08 Plate, 4 years ownership, Superb Motor, 45mpg, 300 Miles per week still commute & business.

All maintenance done myself, less cam belts.

Love the diesel.

jimbo6977

Buy a Guilietta.

(Someone will be along shortly to tell us it's really a FIAT Marea)

motorguy

JustAnotherSaver wrote: »

I know you were just 'roughly speaking' but i know the Astra H diesel 2009-2010 didn't have a DPF. Certainly not on the 1.7 and apparently not on the 1.9 either, or at least most of them. That's according to members of one Astra forum.

That surprises me. I thought almost all were fitted with them from around 2006 onwards. Still, most diesel cars now have them, and its one of the reasons why they have become problematic. That and DMFs.

JustAnotherSaver wrote: »

I'm actually looking at a Civic as a possibility to be honest.

You mention leather like it's a good thing. :rotfl:If i ever got a car that had leather seats i'd have to have them removed for something more suitable. Horrendous things. Same applies for leather sofas too
Yeah i'd need to get to grips with the trim levels.

There are some who prefer leather - its handy if you've kids as its relatively wipe clean. Its also less likely to be full of other peoples dust, dirt, farts, etc.

Type S might be the one for you then.

JustAnotherSaver

motorguy wrote: »

That surprises me. I thought almost all were fitted with them from around 2006 onwards. Still, most diesel cars now have them, and its one of the reasons why they have become problematic. That and DMFs.

Yeah my brother had issue with a DMF. It was on his mini if i remember correctly. I'm sure he had it changed/converted if it's the same thing i'm thinking of.


I did a bit of looking in to it a few years ago (the DPF) and found that it's very hit & miss. Some cars will have had them from a good number of years ago but others carried on for a while without having them included. I think the Fiesta that's the box shape on around a 2007 plate doesn't have one IIRC and as i said, the Astra H mostly doesn't, although some people did come on the Astra forum & say that they did on their 1.9's but these were around the 10 plate, so very late in the H's production. The vast majority said they didn't exist in the H though ... but like i said, i find the H to be extremely boring both exterior and interior. I actually own the G and you could argue i own the H also, but it's the wife's car.



As you say though, there'll be more & more cars with them than not & as time goes by those without will be just getting older & possibly more problematic.

There are some who prefer leather - its handy if you've kids as its relatively wipe clean. Its also less likely to be full of other peoples dust, dirt, farts, etc.

Type S might be the one for you then.

Well fortunately i have no children



I can't stand the feel of leather to be honest. That slip slidy horrible feeling. I can't stand it on sofa's. I hate going to peoples houses & they have a leather sofa - i'll prefer to just sit on the floor. Can't really do that in a car though :rotfl:

JustAnotherSaver

parking_question_chap wrote: »

If its the same 1.8T that was in the MK4 Golf then I can give you some real life numbers because I owned one for many years.

Urban driving would generally be around 28mpg. That was often rather 'spirited' driving but without much traffic at all. Long motorway journeys I was getting 36 or 37mpg. up to 42mpg was achieveable but that was really dull economy driving.

I wondered if it would be the same, or whether it'd be slightly different.

For example take the Astra G that i own. Y plate and earlier the 1.8 engine code was something like X18XE or something like that. Throttle was cable. When the plates went to 51 the engine code switched to Z18XE. Still a 1.8 but the throttle was electronic and if i remember right it had slightly more bhp but don't quote me on that part. I could be wrong. Then the 1.8 in the H, they started off with the Z18XE but then i think it became Z18XER or XEP with a bit more bhp again....yet still 1.8 to anyone who's not really interested.


So as i say, i wonder if it is the same or just slightly different in a way.


I also wonder if i'm the only person who drives a 'nippy' car conservatively.

You get the lines of "drive it like it's supposed to be" and "what's the point in having that power unless you drive it hard" etc etc.
Don't get me wrong, i used to have a heavy foot in my early 20s and i've done some silly things in my time but i'm in my mid 30s now. I get more of a buzz out of getting decent MPG than MPH.


So why own something that's got some go then? Would be the question.
So that whenever i need to use it, it's there.

If i'm behind a snail on the A roads who's irritating the crap out of me, i can get by easily enough. If i'm on the motorway (i actually tend to sit at 60-70 these days instead of, well let's just say it used to be much more) then if i need/want to get by someone then the power is there and i don't have to pray that the car will start picking up like i did with my wife's MK4 1.6 Golf or 1.2 Corsa (which actually felt quicker than the Golf).


One persons spirited is different to another's too. I can be a foot down person when the need arises. I also work with a guy who would probably say he drives spirited whereas i'd probably describe it as criminal. :rotfl:

Johnmcl7

motorguy wrote: »

That surprises me. I thought almost all were fitted with them from around 2006 onwards. Still, most diesel cars now have them, and its one of the reasons why they have become problematic. That and DMFs.

I'd say your original assertion that most diesel cars from 2008 onwards are fitted with a DPF is correct, there are those that weren't but they were small in number. In practice the latest Euro IV diesel cars without a DPF I think was around 2011 as a 60 plate car is the newest I've seen without one.

I'm most familiar with Skodas who with their mk2 in 2004 offered the 1.9 diesel engine in 105bhp and several two litre diesel PD engines in 140 and 170bhp all of which were Euro IV. The 1.9 and standard 140bhp 2.0 engines were within the particulate limit and therefore had no DPF but the Scout and the VRS were both over so they were both fitted with a DPF.

In 2008 Skoda replaced the 2.0 PD engines with new common rail engines in the same 140 and 170bhp output but all of the 2.0 diesel units were fitted with a DPF as they were Euro V compliant which had lower particulate limits. The 1.9 TDI 105bhp continued to be sold without DPF up to around 2010 and was replaced by the 1.6 TDI CR engine which like the other common rail engines was Euro V compliant and had a DPF fitted.

Some companies were fitting DPF's well ahead of the requirements I assume because they had to comply with local restrictions. I was trying to work out if a friend's 2009 FR-V had a DPF or not, it was Euro IV and not a high power output but I found a mix of responses online. It seems British FR-V's never had a DPF but Belgians (and possibly others) did have one.

JustAnotherSaver

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

I'd say your original assertion that most diesel cars from 2008 onwards are fitted with a DPF is correct, there are those that weren't but they were small in number. In practice the latest Euro IV diesel cars without a DPF I think was around 2011 as a 60 plate car is the newest I've seen without one.

I'm most familiar with Skodas who with their mk2 in 2004 offered the 1.9 diesel engine in 105bhp and several two litre diesel PD engines in 140 and 170bhp all of which were Euro IV. The 1.9 and standard 140bhp 2.0 engines were within the particulate limit and therefore had no DPF but the Scout and the VRS were both over so they were both fitted with a DPF.

In 2008 Skoda replaced the 2.0 PD engines with new common rail engines in the same 140 and 170bhp output but all of the 2.0 diesel units were fitted with a DPF as they were Euro V compliant which had lower particulate limits. The 1.9 TDI 105bhp continued to be sold without DPF up to around 2010 and was replaced by the 1.6 TDI CR engine which like the other common rail engines was Euro V compliant and had a DPF fitted.

Some companies were fitting DPF's well ahead of the requirements I assume because they had to comply with local restrictions. I was trying to work out if a friend's 2009 FR-V had a DPF or not, it was Euro IV and not a high power output but I found a mix of responses online. It seems British FR-V's never had a DPF but Belgians (and possibly others) did have one.

Yeah my sister has the 140bhp unit in her 2005 MK5 Golf and that has no DPF but i've read as you say the 170bhp does have it.


I've also read that the feedback on both of these is pretty so-so at best. I remember reading someone summing up the situation saying Volkswagen had the worlds best team with the MK4 diesels, especially with the 130bhp unit and then they decided to replace these people with a load of monkeys.


I was looking at the MK4 130 GT TDI but people are just incredibly unrealistic with their valuations. I find that with Volkswagen's in general.

I could take my car, with its specs & condition & could find 100 like it, same spec, same condition & the price would be pretty similar. That's what you get with a Vauxhall, or a Ford or etc etc etc.


But then you take a Volkswagen, find 100 cars same spec same condition, same colour, same everything and the valuation will vary wildly just because some people think they can add on an extra 75% for the badge.