The Alternative Green Energy Thread

JKenH

National Grid scheme to ration households' power use at peak times

Households will be paid to ration their power usage at peak times as the National Grid scrambles to reduce pressure on Britain's energy infrastructure.

From Friday up to 1.4m households will be paid if they cut their normal electricity consumption at certain two-hour periods during the day, as an experiment to see how households’ behavior might be changed.  

The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for a broader overhaul of the country's billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/08/national-grid-pays-households-ration-power-use/

michaels

JKenH said:

National Grid scheme to ration households' power use at peak times

Households will be paid to ration their power usage at peak times as the National Grid scrambles to reduce pressure on Britain's energy infrastructure.

From Friday up to 1.4m households will be paid if they cut their normal electricity consumption at certain two-hour periods during the day, as an experiment to see how households’ behavior might be changed.  

The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for a broader overhaul of the country's billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/08/national-grid-pays-households-ration-power-use/

Pay-walled - but my question is...where do I (with my EV and V2G unit) sign up?

Oh and this is economically equivalent to a TOU tariff isn't it?

JKenH

michaels said:

JKenH said:

National Grid scheme to ration households' power use at peak times

Households will be paid to ration their power usage at peak times as the National Grid scrambles to reduce pressure on Britain's energy infrastructure.

From Friday up to 1.4m households will be paid if they cut their normal electricity consumption at certain two-hour periods during the day, as an experiment to see how households’ behavior might be changed.  

The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for a broader overhaul of the country's billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/08/national-grid-pays-households-ration-power-use/

Pay-walled - but my question is...where do I (with my EV and V2G unit) sign up?

Oh and this is economically equivalent to a TOU tariff isn't it?

Sorry, don’t know. It’s not mentioned in the article. Invitation only perhaps.

michaels

JKenH said:

michaels said:

JKenH said:

National Grid scheme to ration households' power use at peak times

Households will be paid to ration their power usage at peak times as the National Grid scrambles to reduce pressure on Britain's energy infrastructure.

From Friday up to 1.4m households will be paid if they cut their normal electricity consumption at certain two-hour periods during the day, as an experiment to see how households’ behavior might be changed.  

The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for a broader overhaul of the country's billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/08/national-grid-pays-households-ration-power-use/

Pay-walled - but my question is...where do I (with my EV and V2G unit) sign up?

Oh and this is economically equivalent to a TOU tariff isn't it?

Sorry, don’t know. It’s not mentioned in the article. Invitation only perhaps.

Appears to be for certain Octopus tariff:
Trial scheme will pay householders to delay electricity use | National Grid | The Guardian

Some research here:
Exploring the effectiveness of financial payments for incentivising UK householders to shift electricity use to off-peak perio (biee.org)

JKenH

JKenH said:

michaels said:

JKenH said:

National Grid scheme to ration households' power use at peak times

Households will be paid to ration their power usage at peak times as the National Grid scrambles to reduce pressure on Britain's energy infrastructure.

From Friday up to 1.4m households will be paid if they cut their normal electricity consumption at certain two-hour periods during the day, as an experiment to see how households’ behavior might be changed.  

The move is a pilot scheme intended to pave the way for a broader overhaul of the country's billing system as the UK ditches reliable but dirty fossil fuel plants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/08/national-grid-pays-households-ration-power-use/

Pay-walled - but my question is...where do I (with my EV and V2G unit) sign up?

Oh and this is economically equivalent to a TOU tariff isn't it?

Sorry, don’t know. It’s not mentioned in the article. Invitation only perhaps.

Please accept my apologies, it was at the bottom of the article

Who can take part?

Any household with a smart meter that buys electricity from Octopus Energy can take part. The trial is still open to new participants. 

How do I sign up?

Existing Octopus customers who want to join can email: hello@octopus.energy

shinytop

Oil production in Africa

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-60301755

Condemn as irresponsible or accept that this is the real world?

JKenH

Net Zero: the rise of eco-fascism

I imagine this will cause a few people to splutter over their dinner. A few excerpts.

Surge pricing will ultimately means the rich get to cook their dinner when they want it, the poor sit in their coats and wait to eat later.

It is this system that baked in a permanent capacity shortage. Demand management is sensible to shave unexpected peaks, but is not supposed to be a tool to manage structural, deliberately imposed shortage.

Green activists say that battery storage can plug the gap, but this is a fantasy. The majority of large-scale batteries are be able to provide power for 30-90 minutes. Several gigawatts of capacity can act as a buffer in the same way conventional power station inertia does, but it cannot keep the grid running over sustained periods when then the wind doesn’t blow and demand is high.

No amount of green NGO obfuscation changes the fact that every MW of a installed renewable energy capacity must have equivalent conventional backup. Intermittent energy cannot serve as baseload. 

https://www.ukip.org/net-zero-the-rise-of-eco-fascism

shinytop

JKenH said:

Net Zero: the rise of eco-fascism

I imagine this will cause a few people to splutter over their dinner. A few excerpts.

Surge pricing will ultimately means the rich get to cook their dinner when they want it, the poor sit in their coats and wait to eat later.

It is this system that baked in a permanent capacity shortage. Demand management is sensible to shave unexpected peaks, but is not supposed to be a tool to manage structural, deliberately imposed shortage.

Green activists say that battery storage can plug the gap, but this is a fantasy. The majority of large-scale batteries are be able to provide power for 30-90 minutes. Several gigawatts of capacity can act as a buffer in the same way conventional power station inertia does, but it cannot keep the grid running over sustained periods when then the wind doesn’t blow and demand is high.

No amount of green NGO obfuscation changes the fact that every MW of a installed renewable energy capacity must have equivalent conventional backup. Intermittent energy cannot serve as baseload. 

https://www.ukip.org/net-zero-the-rise-of-eco-fascism

This is terrible; sensationalist ranting, full of half truths and misrepresentations, and unwilling even to consider other points of view. 

It reminds me of quite a lot of posts and links I see on G&EMS  

JKenH

I came across this comment in response to an article about Boris Johnson (it doesn’t matter where), that summed up what I keep thinking about the futility of our government’s obsession with becoming the first major economy to reach net zero, (what I described as a vanity project).

Forgive me, I don’t mean to be argumentative but I don’t understand how Britain being “at the forefront” of the Green agenda is of any benefit to the country.
Surely the only benefit is the overall, global environmental picture – no one country benefits more than another from that.
However, if we trash our economy, cripple personal finances and fail to use the resources we have at our disposal – all to be able to say that we hit Net Zero targets before other countries, we are putting ourselves at a huge disadvantage, aren’t we?
In fact, if you wanted to be cynical, you could make the case that the best way for a country to benefit from the green agenda would be by being the LAST country to adopt it, and therefore be at an economic advantage whilst benefitting from the environmental improvements brought about by everyone else’s efforts. (Not that I’m advocating that as a course of action, obviously)
We might possibly benefit from building and selling Green technologies, but we could do all of that anyway, without having to impose draconian eco-restrictions.
Boris pushing to achieve these targets ahead of any other nation is of no material benefit to the global environment. Even if the UK’s total energy signature was removed entirely, it would still have almost no impact on the worldwide situation. At that point it seems to be more about being able to boast about our Green credentials than about actually saving the planet, no?

Verdigris

There's the little matter of us having had the first industrial revolution and that we've been ****ing up the planet for longer than anybody else, for starters.