Protesting pay & display fine

Jeffwalkden123

I have a very similar query to a previous poster (emuratty - 07/03/16) in this thread.
I paid a full day's fee for parking all day in a car park with the requisite P&D ticket on the windscreen but returned within a couple of hours to find a PCN attached to my windscreen. I had left the ticket prominent on the dashboard but (due to air movement within the car) the voucher slipper down the dashboard remaining partially visible.
I sent a copy of the valid pay and display voucher to Armtrac security services (the parking operator) to explain that I had in fact paid and left the ticket in a visible area but that it subsequently moved. Their pictures of the vehicle showed that they could see a ticket on the dashboard but that it was not visible (a fact my own pic at the time contested, possibly not sufficiently).
I DID NOT pay nor accept liability and appealed both to the parking operator and their 'independent' arbitrator to no avail.
I am now being told to pay the full £100 PCN charge and a further equal sum should I not do so within 14 days.
How do I successfully challenge their verdict? I have done nothing wrong - leaving the P&D voucher in the correct manner when parking and confirming the correct payment made c/w explanation of circumstances when replying.
Thks
JW

Redx

You can't , they don't and won't give a monkeys

If you have appealed once , ignore

The time to challenge the fluttering ticket argument is in court , in front of a judge

Keep the paid for ticket and all the documents and pictures and data , including all paperwork

All Armtrac want is your money , nothing else , no argument will dissuade them , save your breath for a judge

fisherjim

You are dealing with scammers they are only interested in money, nothing else, what ever you put in your appeal to them they are duty bound by their greed to reject it.


You are now most likely in line for silly debt collectors letters which can be ignored.


Don't ignore real court papers if they come though.



All is explained in the newbies thread.

Coupon-mad

How do I successfully challenge their verdict?

In court when you win. We win these cases! No risk, no CCJ, no fear.

To save unnecessary posts, see you in 2020 when you need our advice again:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76468739#Comment_76468739

There are also ten or more currently defended Armtrac cases where it's a fluttering ticket scam, so forget reading a thread from way back in 2016! Search this forum for fluttering ticket and see how many results are Armtrac ones...read them and learn.

You will be able to copy from them when you get your lovely claim form!

The_Deep

Read some of these

https://www.bing.com/search?q=fluttering+parking+ticket&form=IENTHT&pc=EUPP_ACTE&mkt=en-gb&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&refig=54acffdbfb074a078060b220a6fbf29a&sp=1&qs=AS&pq=fluttering+parking&sc=1-18&cvid=54acffdbfb074a078060b220a6fbf29a

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP after the election, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT]