No entry PCN - appeal rejected - should I go to adjudicator?

rhis

Hi,
My wife recently received a Penalty Charge Notice (Waltham Forest Council) for driving the wrong way through two no entry signs. She was taking my daughter to swimming lessons and the no entry signs are relatively new (they weren't there when we used to take my son) so she didn't notice that she was doing anything wrong until the PCN turned up. She did this on two separate occasions so two PCN's.

On both occasions the camera car was parked behind the No Entry signs so all you can see on the photos and the video of the offence is the black back of the sign. No road markings or other signage visible and you can't see what sign she is driving past. As the keeper of the car I appealed based on the fact that the footage didn't show an offence taking place. it doesn't prove what the signs are or indeed that they are visible to the driver at the time of offence. You can see signs but not what they are or that they aren't obstructed.

The appeal has been rejected based on the 'evidence provided' - as described above which to me doesn't constitute evidence at all. They've also sent a photo taken in May of the signs to prove that they are visible. The offences took place in September so again I don't think that's evidence.

I'm considering appealing to the adjudicator but that will mean paying £130 if I lose rather than £65 now. Per fine of course... So two questions really :
1. Is the existence of the signage enough to prove the offence even though the signs aren't visible in the footage?
2. Is it legal for the camera car to take footage from behind the sign? Effectively they are lying in wait. They're hiding the camera car waiting for people to commit the offence which is clearly about revenue not about safety in any way.

Half_way

who issued the ticket? can you clarify if you have a PCN, or a PCN there is an important distinction between the two.
one is a Parking charge notice (PCN) and the other a penalty charge notice (PCN)

The_Deep

If this is a council PCN please repost on peppipoo, we only deal with private land PCNs

rhis

It's a penalty charge notice issued by Waltham Forest Council. Not a parking ticket.

Umkomaas

rhis wrote: »

It's a penalty charge notice issued by Waltham Forest Council. Not a parking ticket.

As we major on private parking tickets here, PePiPoo will be your best bet for council tickets. Register there (but please note that a hotmail address won't work - try using a throwaway gmail account instead if you do have trouble registering) and post a new thread; here's your link:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=30

Have a read through some of the other threads there before you post your own to get the hang of what information they need from you in your opening post - but as a minimum you will need to post redacted photos/scans of all correspondence you've received from the council (both sides, if appropriate) as they need to see all the small print.

PePiPoo has an excellent success record in dealing with council tickets.