Gemini Hospital parking at POPLA appeal stage

1505grandad

Para 3 - signage - in the newbies sticky there is a template for POPLA which is very long. Suggest you copy & paste and adapt for your appeal.

Mjolnir7

1505grandad wrote: »

Para 3 - signage - in the newbies sticky there is a template for POPLA which is very long. Suggest you copy & paste and adapt for your appeal.

I'll do that now, is it ok to leave the links in the template in the appeal document?
(Ive also just noticed that para 3 should actually be para 2 and so on so I have updated/corrected that issue now.)

Le_Kirk

If you leave links in a POPLA appeal, are you expecting the POPLA assessors to go chasing your links all over the internet? I would embed whatever it is you are wanting to say or show.

Mjolnir7

Le_Kirk wrote: »

If you leave links in a POPLA appeal, are you expecting the POPLA assessors to go chasing your links all over the internet? I would embed whatever it is you are wanting to say or show.

I've copied the images in to the document, but one of the links isn't an image but the transcript of the decision Vine v London Borough of Waltham case.

Should I copy all of that text in?

Le_Kirk

Can you copy just enough of it to make your point?

Umkomaas

3. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge

This should be a natural follow-on to:

1. Notice to Keeper (NTK) is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA) due the wording used.

... so it needs promoting up the batting order.

In your detailed appeal, you don't have a Section 2, so you need to renumber.

Should I include the element about the keeper needing to get to an urgent appointment with an ill child in the grace period section, or should I include it elsewhere? Or simply leave it out?

The best you could hope for is that POPLA ignore what you've said, but there's a real risk that they will see this as a tacit acceptance that the PPC might have some legitimate cause to have issued the PCN - that's all POPLA need to side with them. Leave it out is the safest option in my view.

Mjolnir7

Umkomaas wrote: »

This should be a natural follow-on to:


... so it needs promoting up the batting order.

In your detailed appeal, you don't have a Section 2, so you need to renumber.


The best you could hope for is that POPLA ignore what you've said, but there's a real risk that they will see this as a tacit acceptance that the PPC might have some legitimate cause to have issued the PCN - that's all POPLA need to side with them. Leave it out is the safest option in my view.

Noted and done - Thank you!

Mjolnir7

I've had a reply from PALS stating that they have spoke to the facilities manager and he is unwilling to intervene in parking cases.

Le_Kirk

Maybe you need to make the facilities manager (and the hospital trust) aware of THIS.

MistyZ

1505grandad wrote: »

Para 3 - signage - in the newbies sticky there is a template for POPLA which is very long. Suggest you copy & paste and adapt for your appeal.

Yep you do need more in the signage section. But the 'adapt' bit is very important. Make the specific parking issue stand out.

This bit was good anyway, but I've tried to make it a bit clearer:

'On request, Gemini Parking had submitted some close-up photo of the vehicle in question. (Should that be 'a close up photo'? Or 'some close-up photos'?). They have also submitted an isolated close-up of a notice on an unspecified ticket machine.
A recent visit confirmed that from the location in which the vehicle was parked, (illustrated by yellow circle), there were NO signs in view for the driver to see. On the day of the alleged infraction the car park was very full and the ticket machine (circled in blue) was entirely obscured by other vehicles. The ticket machine is also in the opposite direction to the path the driver would necessarily have taken while rushing into the hospital with a sick child.'

Can you get images that illustrate the point that there were no signs visible from the parking space?

Re. that last bit, I know that mitigating circumstances cut no ice with POPLA but no harm in a passing reference to the fact that people parking in hospital car parks are often in a hurry for very good reasons.