Women lose landmark legal fight against state pension age rise - MSE News

Silvertabby

“ Although I wouldn't have benefitted from such a plan (born 1956 and, thankfully, will never qualify for means tested benefits) I would have supported a move to help them. Perhaps make their 1995 State pension age their pension credit age? Sadly, the WASPE and Back260 organisers were only concerned with 'me me me'
Originally posted by Silvertabby

colsten wrote: »

I am one of those 1953/1954 women who got another 18 months added by the 2011 Act. Although I was/am quite annoyed by the increase, I was lucky enough to be able to cope with it. I also know plenty of women in real life who are in much the same situation as I am. But I am fully conscious to the fact that some are not as fortunate, and like you, I would fully support a Pension Credit arrangement on the 1995 basis. I should add, however, that this would have to apply not just to women but also to men, and I can't see any reason why such an arrangement should not continue beyond 31/12/1959.

Good point about the earlier pension credit age having to apply to men as well. In Mr S's case, his (2011) PC age was 63 and some months. He had already retired, and didn't qualify for any means tested benefits - but he did get his bus pass (not that he has bothered applying for it), winter fuel allowance and - the big one for him - 2 free years of NI contributions. The free NI alone gives him an additional £9 per week State pension, which could give him an extra £9,360 (less tax, plus cost of living increases) over 20 years.

Assuming that other PC age men could qualify for back dated means tested benefits , it may prove to be too expensive to consider. Perhaps an option would be to pay JSA (or whatever it is called now) to these women (and men ) without the requirement to seek employment?

The_Green_Hornet

Women hit by pension age changes to appeal against court ruling

Backto60 group ‘incandescent’ at decision not to compensate women born in 1950s

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/11/women-hit-by-pension-age-changes-to-appeal-against-court-ruling

OldBeanz

jamesd wrote: »

Re JD the evidence showed she was wrong about not being notified earlier but suggests that she genuinely missed it, with her being praised for her "engaging honesty". Best not to suggest that she knowingly made a false statement when the judges seem to disagree:...

In the computer world if you say something is a 'feature', it actually means something along the lines of "the software does not work as you would like it to but we aren't going to change it'. Similarly in the HR world, if a manager is 'Firm but fair' then that is really questioning their parentage.
One wonders what in the legal world "engaging honesty" really means?
Shouldn't a judge believe that everyone who comes before him or her shows "engaging honesty"?

Pollycat

The_Green_Hornet wrote: »

Women hit by pension age changes to appeal against court ruling

Backto60 group ‘incandescent’ at decision not to compensate women born in 1950s

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/11/women-hit-by-pension-age-changes-to-appeal-against-court-ruling

Quelle surprise (not).
Let's hope :cool: they have better evidence to offer than what they provided from the 2 women.
They'll need it.
Embarrassing doesn't even get anywhere near.

coyrls

OldBeanz wrote: »

One wonders what in the legal world "engaging honesty" really means?

I suspect it means blithely undermining your own case.

badmemory

Just think, with all that champagne swilling & the first class tickets they could have helped out one of the "other" women who struggle to pay their energy bills rather than taking money off them to pay for something that is never going to happen.

Paul_Herring

badmemory wrote: »

Just think, with all that champagne swilling & the first class tickets they could have helped out one of the "other" women who struggle to pay their energy bills rather than taking money off them to pay for something that is never going to happen.

Worth a repost...

POPPYOSCAR

The_Green_Hornet wrote: »

Women hit by pension age changes to appeal against court ruling

Backto60 group ‘incandescent’ at decision not to compensate women born in 1950s

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/11/women-hit-by-pension-age-changes-to-appeal-against-court-ruling

Looks like they may well get enough through crowdfunding to be able to appeal.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/appeal?utm_source=www-backto60-com.filesusr.com&utm_medium=widget&utm_content=pledge&utm_campaign=Permission%20to%20Appeal%20decision%20of%20the%20High%20Court

Malthusian

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Looks like they may well get enough through crowdfunding to be able to appeal.

And make more cringeworthy videos where they reenact Reservoir Dogs?



If this had been taking place in Nigeria the police would have shut it down by now.

Hopefully when this is finally over the membership (many of whom are in genuine hardship, unlike the leadership) demand a full, audited accounting of where the money went.

Paul_Herring

Malthusian wrote: »

And make more cringeworthy videos where they reenact Reservoir Dogs?

Oh, my!