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OFGEM should force all supplier to offer this
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And, buried deep below the sensational headlines, the expert confirms my point, it's electronic meters that are the issue, not just smart meters.
But a headline about "any electronic meter installed in the last n years" isn't quite as eye catching is it?0 -
Norman_Castle wrote: »20 million households? 20 million IHDs sitting in drawers then landfill.
A drop in the ocean. Those drawers already have a dozen mobiles in them... (PS it's 26 million drawers...)
I just moved after a year, signed up again with the same broadband provider, got another router - total waste. But nobody's getting emotional because it's nothing to do with evil smart meters.
Suppliers have accountants. Once they see the benefit of adding a button on their sign up pages saying "I don't need an IHD" and the cost savings it'll bring, it will happen. Of course if the industry wasn't run by people who are technologically incompetent they'd have supported IHD functionality with a smartphone app....but we can all dream.0 -
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A button marked "No, don't supply me with a smart meter and don't surcharge my bills by £475" would be even better !Norman_Castle wrote: »A button marked "Please supply an IHD at a cost of £20" would save money and waste.
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oh dear, at it again lol .More silly project fear rubbish. I don t mind you rubbishing smarts but doing a Harold Wilson with the "pound in your pocket " comment and suggesting each and every customer is having to pay out of their own pockets £450 a year to fund the roll out is beyond a joke. Some may actually believe it..A button marked "No, don't supply me with a smart meter and don't surcharge my bills by £475" would be even better !
.you are aware that the replacement of meters has being going on for decades, smart or dumb..Nearly all the imperial gas meters were changed to metric for no good reason.
Prepay meters were changed from card token to smartkey/card so they would work better.
.Are you going to include all the suppliers overheads to run a business.
All the wind Turbines whirring away, many out at sea..Large areas of solar panel farms .
and don t forget to add suppliers paying out £70 a time to comparison site owners every time someone switches supplier ? how many millions has that taken out of the industry . It all relates to overheads which ultimately reflect the price of my gas and leccy .0 -
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A drop in the ocean. Those drawers already have a dozen mobiles in them... (PS it's 26 million drawers...)
I just moved after a year, signed up again with the same broadband provider, got another router - total waste. But nobody's getting emotional because it's nothing to do with evil smart meters.
Suppliers have accountants. Once they see the benefit of adding a button on their sign up pages saying "I don't need an IHD" and the cost savings it'll bring, it will happen. Of course if the industry wasn't run by people who are technologically incompetent they'd have supported IHD functionality with a smartphone app....but we can all dream.
TallStoryDave you are surely just trying to get a vexatious response,
26 million devices is not a drop in the ocean, if you knew the dodgy chemicals that are on PCB's and how they seep into water table you might not be so keen and people wonder why there is an epidemic of anxiety disorders, autism and ADHD. I am not saying there is a direct link, all I am saying is with plastics, pesticides and dumped electronics which have hundreds of chemicals including arsenic, Lead, Mercury, Cadmium , Phthalates & Selenium.
Unlike mobiles the IHD's can't be re-used or gifted to 3rd world countries or Freecycle, sheeeet, they do not even work with the meters of other energy companies.
TalkTalk have a return a router bag in their boxes, you can send your router back to your broadband provide at their cost under reminder of WEEE directive (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive)/
To be honest the functionality never needed to be in an IHD, it could have been as an app on smart TV's, Roku, or an App, but the whole idea was to justify these totally useless smart meters by saying look it goes red when you put the kettle on.
When I hear one of their ads it drives me nuts, so much complete and utter BS, now they are using kids to fake that you are helping polar bears by getting a smart meter.
You can sell or give your old mobiles and people even want the Broadband routers although I would send them back freepost to the ISP.0 -
I'm not trying to get any particular response.
I'm trying to point out that getting worked up about IHDs isn't going to save the planet. Some people might be helping to save the planet in other ways or not be that bothered. But if they want to save on their energy by agreeing to have an IHD drop through the letter box, so what?
Why don't we have a go at iPhone owners who insist on upgrading to the new model just because the camera lens is better? There's a pointless waste of PCBs and all the evil therein.
The benefit of living here is we have a choice, and the less interference from do good government bodies the better.0 -
I offer factual comment rather than personal abuse and mis-quotes.oh dear, at it again lol .More silly project fear rubbish. I don t mind you rubbishing smarts but doing a Harold Wilson with the "pound in your pocket " comment and suggesting each and every customer is having to pay out of their own pockets £450 a year to fund the roll out is beyond a joke. Some may actually believe it..
.you are aware that the replacement of meters has being going on for decades, smart or dumb..Nearly all the imperial gas meters were changed to metric for no good reason.
If you have read the recently published SMART METER ROLL-OUT Cost-Benefit Analysis (2019) you will be aware that it states that the total costs of the programme attributable to domestic premises are estimated to be £13.1bn, that "smart meter costs are recovered from energy suppliers’ entire customer bases" and that the cost per household is "slightly over £400".
The ONS states that there were 27.6m households in 2018. That £13.1bn works out at around £475 per household. Needless to say, I've never claimed that it's the cost per year, that's another misquote.
Do you have any FACTS to the contrary? Oh, and my gas meter is still imperial...0
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