Is this sign enforceable?

building_with_lego

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Dropping my child to a sporting event today I noticed a series of these "signs" tied to trees and was curious about whether they're enforceable. There is a large, half-built residential area off a 30mph road with large speed tables built into the road, but no notification of speed limit (aside from the lampposts and lack of a change of speed signage at the start of the road) until today, when these went up.

Enforceable? Courtesy signs only? What do you reckon?

Car_54

If there is a compliant system of lighting then the speed limit on a single carriageway is 30mph, unless indicated otherwise.


If there is no change of speed limit signage then there is no change of speed limit!


On both counts, it's a 30mph limit. It sounds as though the signs on the trees are irrelevant, though it would be nice to see a photo.

building_with_lego

[quote=[Deleted User];76247928]If there is a compliant system of lighting then the speed limit on a single carriageway is 30mph, unless indicated otherwise.


If there is no change of speed limit signage then there is no change of speed limit!


On both counts, it's a 30mph limit. It sounds as though the signs on the trees are irrelevant, though it would be nice to see a photo.[/QUOTE]


It's been so long since I posted a photo that I couldn't. Up there now- I will not be defeated.

TooManyPoints

They are not enforceable unless (a) they comply with the signage regulations and (b) there is a valid Traffic Regulation Order in place. Your local authority can confirm (b) or not. If there is no TRO you may like to inform them of the presence of the unauthorised signs.

Car_54

OK, thanks for the pic. For it to be enforceable, there needs to be a Traffic Regulation Order in place: you can check with the local council. In the meantime, keep below 20 to be on the safe side.


I suspect that in a "half-built residential area" the road is still unadopted, and the signs will have been put up by the builders or residents. In that case, they will be unenforceable in themselves, but ignoring them (and the speed-bumps) might be careless/dangerous driving

SHAFT

[quote=[Deleted User];76248004]OK, thanks for the pic. For it to be enforceable, there needs to be a Traffic Regulation Order in place: you can check with the local council. In the meantime, keep below 20 to be on the safe side.


I suspect that in a "half-built residential area" the road is still unadopted, and the signs will have been put up by the builders or residents. In that case, they will be unenforceable in themselves, but ignoring them (and the speed-bumps) might be careless/dangerous driving[/QUOTE]

Ignoring a none compliant sign is far below the standard expected expected of a competent driver. Interesting one.

Car_54

SHAFT wrote: »

Ignoring a none compliant sign is far below the standard expected expected of a competent driver. Interesting one.

I would suggest that the presence of speed-bumps tells a careful and competent driver to slow down, and to maintain a reduced speed (Highway Code 153). The signs, whether compliant or not, merely reinforce that rule.


And even a careful and competent driver is unlikely to know whether the signs are authorised.

building_with_lego

[quote=[Deleted User];76248111]I would suggest that the presence of speed-bumps tells a careful and competent driver to slow down, and to maintain a reduced speed (Highway Code 153). The signs, whether compliant or not, merely reinforce that rule.


And even a careful and competent driver is unlikely to know whether the signs are authorised.[/QUOTE]


Agreed- it's uncomfortable to go much over 20. However, I enjoy testing the children on "What's the speed limit on this section of road?" and I like a) catch them out, and b) be correct myself!

SHAFT

[quote=[Deleted User];76248111]I would suggest that the presence of speed-bumps tells a careful and competent driver to slow down, and to maintain a reduced speed (Highway Code 153). The signs, whether compliant or not, merely reinforce that rule.


And even a careful and competent driver is unlikely to know whether the signs are authorised.[/QUOTE]

I could show you a number of road where there is no need to slow down to negotiate the speed bumps. Therefore driving at the speed limit is acceptable and far from being careless.