Kitchen advice

blueye

Hi all, I’m having a kitchen installed by a local independent designer...I’ve chosen to have a Belfast sink...the sink is in and yesterday he put the door on the cupboard under it.....the door doesn’t cover the cupboard it’s too short!...he actually told me his supplier doesn’t make a door to fit the cupboard and so it needs to have a filler panel above the door!
The Belfast is a standard 220 depth the cupboard below is 495ish high....the door he’s put on is 450 high....now I know all the kitchen manufactures I viewed made 2 different size Belfast sink cupboards...1 for a 220 and 1 for a 250 depth sink and you could get both sized doors to fit!
I’ve told his fitter I’m not happy about having the filler panel and I’m pretty sure he’s just ordered the wrong size door and trying to get away with it but without knowing who the manufacturer is I can’t call him out on it.
I still have to pay the final amount on finishing the kitchen so I have some power but I honestly don’t know what to do or how to approach him without just straight up calling him a liar

Mutton_Geoff

Standard bases for Belfast sinks are 455mm high with 450mm door and 495mm with 490mm door.


Tell him to order a 490 door for it.

blueye

Exactly! But he’s trying to tell me his supplier doesn’t make the correct door size....I obviously look like a mug

CakeCrusader

Tell him to find one from another supplier as you're not happy with it as it is.

blueye

So I called him today to ask for the supplier details...said I would ask them to make a custom door for it and if they couldn’t ask them for a colour swatch to send off to a supplier that can. He wouldn’t give the details and said he’d call them himself and then tried to tell me modern kitchens aren’t made to house Belfast sinks so it’s difficult to gat a cupboard to fit them, which I know is total rubbish!....anyway am I within my rights to withhold the last payment until this is sorted or is this going to far? They are supposed to be finishing today. TIA

TELLIT01

How much is the final payment? I would be inclined to withhold a couple of hundred quid which should cover the cost of obtaining a door and getting somebody else in to fit it.

As he is refusing to name his supplier he obviously has been BSing you and doesn't want to rectify the problem.

FreeBear

TELLIT01 wrote: »

As he is refusing to name his supplier he obviously has been BSing you and doesn't want to rectify the problem.

Howdens, Benchmarx, Magnet, and Symphony are the main trade suppliers that spring to mind - If you post a picture of the kitchen door, I'm sure someone will be able to identify it pretty quick.

Mutton_Geoff

FreeBear wrote: »

Howdens, Benchmarx, Magnet, and Symphony are the main trade suppliers that spring to mind - If you post a picture of the kitchen door, I'm sure someone will be able to identify it pretty quick.

My kitchen was installed by the previous owners. When I wanted to add to it, the trade only supplier (not one of the above, name forgotten) were very expensive for the handful of doors I needed.


I bought a Shaker style from DIY kitchens after ordering some door samples in different colours to check match. Now they are in, you would be hard pushed to see that they were from a different maker. There are certain common styles that are easily matched but I wouldn't be confident putting different makes of doors in the same run.


I hope the installer sees sense, I can't believe his supplier is so limited in choice.

MarcTJTD

490mm is pretty high for a belfast sink unit

In the vast majority of kitchen ranges, a Belfast Sink door is the same size as an integrated extractor door; 600mm x 450mm or so; Belfast sinks are around 255mm. 220mm is often advertised as the sink measurement (the depth of the bowl, not the overall size of the sink).

How high are your base doors & plinths? .. the common sizes area 720 door on a 150 plinth (B&Q, Wickes, Howdens), or 704 on a 166 plinth (Magnet Trade). Either way, your measurement from floor to worktop is usually 870mm.

With a 490 Belfast cabinet, you'd be closer to 895mm.

The problem might be best solved by nipping to a B&Q and buying a Belfast Sink cabinet for £41, then using the door he's provided, but it'll depend on how tall your other base doors are.

blueye

all resolved now....kept on at him about getting the supplier details and he eventually said he would ask them to make a custom door...turned up the same day with the correct height door saying it had appeared in the catalogue and swore it wasn’t there the day before 😂😂 I still can’t believe someone registered as a which trusted trader would stand there and lie to my face just because he didn’t want to admit he made a mistake. Just goes to show these trusted trader schemes are all just money making scams.
Think his plasterer said his supplier is in Bury... any ideas who they could be? as I’d like to change something he’s designed as I had a better idea but he didn’t consult me and just ordered what he decided would look good.

Meepster

MarcTJTD wrote: »

490mm is pretty high for a belfast sink unit

No it isn't.

MarcTJTD wrote: »

In the vast majority of kitchen ranges, a Belfast Sink door is the same size as an integrated extractor door; 600mm x 450mm or so; Belfast sinks are around 255mm. 220mm is often advertised as the sink measurement (the depth of the bowl, not the overall size of the sink).

Carron Phoenix, Franke and Perrin & Rowe all offer Belfast sinks with an external height of 220mm, I only checked in the Waterline brochure, but I'm sure this is the same from most suppliers.

MarcTJTD wrote: »

How high are your base doors & plinths? .. the common sizes area 720 door on a 150 plinth (B&Q, Wickes, Howdens), or 704 on a 166 plinth (Magnet Trade). Either way, your measurement from floor to worktop is usually 870mm.

Correct

MarcTJTD wrote: »

With a 490 Belfast cabinet, you'd be closer to 895mm.

The problem might be best solved by nipping to a B&Q and buying a Belfast Sink cabinet for £41, then using the door he's provided, but it'll depend on how tall your other base doors are.

Absolute nonsense - they don't need another cabinet, they just needed the right sized door.