New Build Doors

[Deleted User]

I live in a new build property and due to a number of issues we are currently having investigations done on our property.

As part of this, we have had to have quotes completed for a number of errors for problem resolution.

One aspect that has come up is that our front and rear door (Composite) are 2.2m high.

We have noticed that the quotes all show a 2.1m door being fitted but only one company has said - this is the maximum size a composite door can be.

It was mentioned that fensa regs limit a composite door to 2.1m and therefore the current door doesn’t comply with fensa.
I can’t find any scribbled down regulations online, does anyone know how accurate this is and if fensa publish those regulations (and where?!)

G_M

I'd post your question on https://www.diynot.com/diy/


Either the

https://www.diynot.com/diy/forums/building-regs-planning/ or


https://www.diynot.com/diy/forums/windows-doors/


forums

Doozergirl

FENSA don't set the regulations.

The regulations are the Building Regulations and the whole raft of them are fully documented online.
https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200135/approved_documents

Parts K and Q would cover doors. Part K will set a minimum size of door, though. Part Q determines the standard of security.

Fensa is just a self-certification body where the installers state that the windows/doors comply to the regulations, not even the way they've been installed, which could be subject to inspection by Building Control.

I don't believe for a second that no composite doors comply if they're over 2.1 metres; that's not what regulations are there for and there's no reason why there should be an issue in their manufacture that they suddenly fail when they go over standard height.

I think you're being fed rubbish because they don't stock the doors (ie. their own supplier makes them within certain standard sizes) and you're chasing needlessly after a red herring.

AdrianC

newbieboy wrote: »

I live in a new build property and due to a number of issues we are currently having investigations done on our property.

As part of this, we have had to have quotes completed for a number of errors for problem resolution.

One aspect that has come up is that our front and rear door (Composite) are 2.2m high.

We have noticed that the quotes all show a 2.1m door being fitted but only one company has said - this is the maximum size a composite door can be.

It was mentioned that fensa regs limit a composite door to 2.1m and therefore the current door doesn’t comply with fensa.
I can’t find any scribbled down regulations online, does anyone know how accurate this is and if fensa publish those regulations (and where?!)

What are you actually trying to achieve here?

Are you trying to prove that the doors are somehow inherently wrong-by-design? If so, what sort of resolution are you after?

In the unlikely event you do achieve something, you know what it'll be? A 2.1m tall door and a 100mm filler panel at the top. It'll look hideous. I hope you'll be happy with that "solution"...

BTW, FENSA is about replacement doors. Not ones fitted to a new-build.
https://www.fensa.org.uk/about-fensa

One company has said 2.2m is too big? They mean for them to supply. No more than that. Anything around the edge of that is simply waffle.

Sedge123

Sounds like a cop out to me. Wasn’t aware there was a maximum- surely the door just needs to fit the hole?

FreeBear

Doozergirl wrote: »

Parts K and Q would cover doors. Part K will set a minimum size of door, though.


I think you're being fed rubbish because they don't stock the doors (ie. their own supplier makes them within certain standard sizes) and you're chasing needlessly after a red herring.

Pretty sure there are no maximum sizes set by building regulations either. Having seen a number of properties with doors almost big enough to drive a bus through.
The largest composite door I managed to find online after a quick search was 2159mm high including the frame. I'm sure with a little more searching, a 2.2m door could be found. But as this is a new build, sourcing a replacement door (if it is needed) falls to the builders or who ever is providing the warranty.

[Deleted User]

AdrianC wrote: »

What are you actually trying to achieve here?

Are you trying to prove that the doors are somehow inherently wrong-by-design? If so, what sort of resolution are you after?

In the unlikely event you do achieve something, you know what it'll be? A 2.1m tall door and a 100mm filler panel at the top. It'll look hideous. I hope you'll be happy with that "solution"...

BTW, FENSA is about replacement doors. Not ones fitted to a new-build.
https://www.fensa.org.uk/about-fensa

One company has said 2.2m is too big? They mean for them to supply. No more than that. Anything around the edge of that is simply waffle.

Not quite, the vendor showed us their specific FENSA document that stated the maximum sizes of different doors which was under 2.2m (I believe 2159 as mentioned below).
Our door way(s) are actually already 2.3m high with around 10cm of filler already, so ideally we actually want a proper door as it should be.

In terms of resolution, this is a small part of around £80k in faults with our new build house.. and we would like them sorted correctly.

Sedge123 wrote: »

Sounds like a cop out to me. Wasn’t aware there was a maximum- surely the door just needs to fit the hole?

The current door(s) don't fit the current holes - they are fitted with fillers. Although this company mentioned it to me, all of those quoting have quoted a maximum of a 2.1m door - its just only one has bothered to tell me and explain. the gap is 2.3m so currently we have 10cm+ of filler and all of the manufacturers will be putting in around 20cm of fillers.. hence understanding the actual problem.

FreeBear wrote: »

Pretty sure there are no maximum sizes set by building regulations either. Having seen a number of properties with doors almost big enough to drive a bus through.
The largest composite door I managed to find online after a quick search was 2159mm high including the frame. I'm sure with a little more searching, a 2.2m door could be found. But as this is a new build, sourcing a replacement door (if it is needed) falls to the builders or who ever is providing the warranty.

You would think wouldn't you...
But given we have been in litigation for 8 months having spent over a year trying to get this and over £80k worth of issues fixed.. it seems the warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on...

[Deleted User]

G_M wrote: »

I'd post your question on https://www.diynot.com/diy/


Either the

https://www.diynot.com/diy/forums/building-regs-planning/ or


https://www.diynot.com/diy/forums/windows-doors/


forums

Thank you - I shall ask in there!

Doozergirl

newbieboy wrote: »

Thank you - I shall ask in there!

Are the rest of us not good enough for you?!

[Deleted User]

Doozergirl wrote: »

Are the rest of us not good enough for you?!

Oops my multi-quote seemingly didn't collect everyone.

Thanks

ethank

FENSA regs do not apply to new builds. It applies to replacements only.