CEL PCN - Overstay on NHS carpark

SammyJankis

Hi All.

Also posted on PePiPoo

Received a PCN from CEL for overstaying on a NHS health center car park by 23 minutes.
Car park offers 3hrs free parking.

Have received:

PCN - 03/19 - £60 / 100
Reminder - 04/19 - £100
Reminder - 07/19 - £140
Debt recovery - 07/19 - £170

We've ignored all letters thus far as was the previous advice and the root successfully taken twice before with other private parking companies.

No communication has been entered, having decided to read up on here and MSE, I see the advice of ignoring has long since changed.
I've read many posts, appeal's and defense and i'm not feeling that a lot of it makes any sense.

The overstay was due to work within the NHS and the request for £60+ for the 23 minute overstay is a little steep.
If I submit an appeal that it was NHS work that caused the overstay on their car park then I think that admits who the driver was.

A couple of questions.

1. I'm not sure if the PCN complies fully with PoFa, it does not state that the RK is liable to the payment of the PCN, only if a hire company?

2. the Template appeal for BPA or IPC members says;

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

if I send this appeal, which is probably too late, and will probably would be disregarded anyway, would they not say"even if the more generous 11 minute grace had been applied to both arrival and departure, we are still 1 minute over the grace?

Should I still send the Template appeal for BPA or IPC members

Thanks for your help.

Quentin

You are worried about revealing who was driving, yet post these details in a public forum

You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving

The ppcs monitor this forum and can use posts in your thread against you in Court

Send the template appeal as is

The_Deep

Please read this

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles

Have they fully complied? Also, have you read the stickies/FAQs?

SammyJankis

Sorry, as a new poster, I can add links to all paperwork.

SammyJankis

Thanks, I have read the nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles, i'm contacting the health center building manager.