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Penalty Notice (Saba) & Lease Car
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BrownTrout
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A friend managed to get one of these today,
Now its a lease car, and with it being a bye law ticket , liability can not be transferred over to the driver , and even if they appeal straight away ZZPS/Saba will automatically apply for keeper details in the next month or sooo.... and this would then result in a definite admin charge and they will most likely pay the ticket...
So given the above is this one of those unfortunate cases where they are best just to pay up
Thoughts pls....
Now its a lease car, and with it being a bye law ticket , liability can not be transferred over to the driver , and even if they appeal straight away ZZPS/Saba will automatically apply for keeper details in the next month or sooo.... and this would then result in a definite admin charge and they will most likely pay the ticket...
So given the above is this one of those unfortunate cases where they are best just to pay up
Thoughts pls....
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Wouldn't one of the 'hirer' template letters from the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1, hook this in the right direction, away from the hire/lease companies?Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
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Wouldn't one of the 'hirer' template letters from the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1, hook this in the right direction, away from the hire/lease companies?
No because with Penalty Tickets like this , even with an appeal is logged unlike a windscreen ticket for a normal pcn they still obtain keeper details and you cant then do a liability transfer as you can normally0 -
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I'd appeal as driver, then string them along for 6 months.
Stops any possibility of a NTK to the lease firm.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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Surely though they will still send a notice to owner with it not being a normal pcn0
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Hmmm...never tested it but fessing up the driver in a non-template 'look at me I'm the driver and I have no clue' deliberately weak first appeal would be my tactic.
You want SABA to think they have a mug hooked.
I've done deliberately weak first appeals before. A tactic that used to go over the heads of some stupid idiots who didn't do joined up thinking.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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BrownTrout wrote: »Surely though they will still send a notice to owner with it not being a normal pcn
How? They don't know who the owner is unless the owner themselves tells them. The DVLA don't hold owner details, owner the keeper's name and address, but the keeper isn't liable where byelaws apply.
I would appeal as day to day keeper and tell the hire/lease company what's happening, and they must not pay the scamvoice under any circumstances.I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks0 -
How? They don't know who the owner is unless the owner themselves tells them. The DVLA don't hold owner details, owner the keeper's name and address, but the keeper isn't liable where byelaws apply.
I would appeal as day to day keeper and tell the hire/lease company what's happening, and they must not pay the scamvoice under any circumstances.
Ok owner/keeper. Even when people appeal these they still obtain keeper details0 -
Hi Brown Trout
I know that the Railway Byelaws are a real dog's dinner in respect of when an owner may (or may not) be liable for a railway parking penalty charge.
However, I wonder if Paragraph 24 (4) of the Byelaws is of any use in these Saba cases where Saba in its capacity as the ToC's agent is seeking payment of a penalty charge as an alternative to prosecution.
Paragraph 24 (4) reads as follows:
No person shall be subject to any penalty for breach of any of the Byelaws by disobeying a notice unless it is proved to the satisfaction of the Court before whom the complaint is laid that the notice referred to in the particular Byelaw was displayed.
The enforcement of breaches of parking terms and conditions are clearly dependent upon those terms and conditions being displayed on notices in the railway car park..... so according to Paragraph 24 (4) any penalty may be applied only after the Court has been satisfied with the adequacy of the signs?
Footnote: I'm now an interested party because we have today received - or rather our lease company (the station in question has ANPR operation) - has just received a Saba Penalty Notice of our own0
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