SMETS2 etc

Lumphammer1

I am thinking of switching and don't have a smart meter.

From what I can gather, if I am thinking of switching and my new supplier insists on installing a smart meter, I really don't want a SMETS1 because it may not work fully if I switch again.

It might be that some suppliers still give themselves the option in the contract of fitting SMETS!?

So, if I switch to say, Bulb, who guarantee SMETS2 meters, I can get the savings from switching to them from my current supplier and then have flexibility to switch again if necessary with little disruption?

Does that make sense?

DawnCrush

You don't need a smart meter to switch supplier (although a few odd tariffs from a very limited range of suppliers may mandate one now or in the future)

There is no disruption to your supply when you switch supplier. It's the same gas & electricity, coming through the same pipes & wires, recorded by the same meters. The only thing that changes is the supplier you pay ... and the price!

Even simpler, you don't need a smart meter.

If you switch to Bulb, then surely you'll have to choose a tariff from that supplier, which may be more or less than what you are paying now.

You will have to check with any other supplier if they can currently cater for those with smart meters. They all can accept such metering, but may treat them as dumb, and so you willl still need to read it and submit readings.

Some of the recent threads on here indicate it is more complicated to read a smart meter than a traditional dumb meter.(presumably excluding the old style 'dial' traditional meters that were often incorrectly read by those who were not professional meter readers)

All suppliers that are currently offering smart metering must now be SMET2 meters.
All suppliers must make reasonable efforts to offer & support smart metering by the end of next year, but consumers are not obligated to have one.

[Deleted User]

Bulb will simplify the switch as they only have one tariff.don t forget to get a customer referral number from a friend to get the £50 , and the friend gets £50 too.
Whatever smart meter you get, so far we have nt seen an incident of smart switching actually working outside of trials.
Some of the later SMETS1 s are supposed to be working smart switching by an OTA upgrade to almost SMETS2 spec

DawnCrush

Houbara wrote: »

Bulb will simplify the switch as they only have one tariff.don t forget to get a customer referral number from a friend to get the £50 , and the friend gets £50 too.
Whatever smart meter you get, so far we have nt seen an incident of smart switching actually working outside of trials.
Some of the later SMETS1 s are supposed to be working smart switching by an OTA upgrade to almost SMETS2 spec

Not sure how having one, standard, variable tariff simplies matters. :huh:
This site is all about monmeysaving.
This recommends not taking cashback into account when choosing a supplier/tariff, as cashback is only guaranteed when it hits your bank account. As for bill credits, they only occur once too, yet you will carry on paying the same tariff year after year unless you switch away from a suppliers 'evergreen' tariff (as it is termed)

Consult a comparison site to find the best deal for you.

Consider a fixed rate tariff if you do not want to worry about price inceases over the term.

I'm sure everyone is now fully aware of this MSE article; it seems to be posted on this forum ad infinitum, so another repetition won't harm
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/you-switch-gas-electricity/

thorganby

Lumphammer1 wrote: »

I am thinking of switching and don't have a smart meter.

From what I can gather, if I am thinking of switching and my new supplier insists on installing a smart meter, I really don't want a SMETS1 because it may not work fully if I switch again.

It might be that some suppliers still give themselves the option in the contract of fitting SMETS!?

So, if I switch to say, Bulb, who guarantee SMETS2 meters, I can get the savings from switching to them from my current supplier and then have flexibility to switch again if necessary with little disruption?

Does that make sense?

No because not all suppliers are currently fitting smart meters and using the data collection centre DCC.

DawnCrush wrote: »

Not sure how having one, standard, variable tariff simplies matters. :huh:
This site is all about monmeysaving.
This recommends not taking cashback into account when choosing a supplier/tariff, as cashback is only guaranteed when it hits your bank account. As for bill credits, they only occur once too, yet you will carry on paying the same tariff year after year unless you switch away from a suppliers 'evergreen' tariff (as it is termed)

Consult a comparison site to find the best deal for you.

Consider a fixed rate tariff if you do not want to worry about price inceases over the term.

I'm sure everyone is now fully aware of this MSE article; it seems to be posted on this forum ad infinitum, so another repetition won't harm
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/you-switch-gas-electricity/

Actually it does harm as it is totally biased.

The problem with that article is that it leads readers to believe that they need to join the Cheap Energy Club to save money.

The CEC is crap in comparison with most other switching sites which are not even mentioned and they offer exclusive tariffs with much more cashback available than when switching via CEC.

Forum readers should be aware that much better deals are definitely available!

DawnCrush

thorganby wrote: »

Actually it does harm as it is totally biased.

The problem with that article is that it leads readers to believe that they need to join the Cheap Energy Club to save money....

It is not biased, unlike sadly the posts of some users here who really should know better.

Please read the article. It links to alternative Ofgem accredited websites (that give higher cashback/value in wine) than the CEC does.

And also even includes sources of even better cashback via comparison sites elsewhere (and possibly direct from the supplier)

The common theme is, to get yourself the best deal, consult an independent comparison siote that compares all the suppliers and tariffs.

The article does NOT say you have to join the CEC to get these tariffs.
(unless it is an MSM/MSE exclusive tariff - I don't think they have a Big Switch on currently)
In fact the CEC is one of the very few comparison sites that lists all suppliers and tariffs generally available by default, whether you can switch to them via the CEC or not.

DawnCrush

JJ Egan, you really find the above post by thorganby useful?
Despite it's obvious bias against this site, moneysavingexpert.com???

And you do not find my posts useful?

Sadly, I think that speaks volumes, eh? :cool:
(about yous, rather than the content of any post)

[Deleted User]

DawnCrush wrote: »

JJ Egan, you really find the above post by thorganby useful?
Despite it's obvious bias against this site, moneysavingexpert.com???

And you do not find my posts useful?

I think that speaks volumes, eh? :cool:

I have not found your post useful so far, and picking on posters who add a thanks is not considered "good form " in my book.
. So far I have never been denied a cashback on a Utility exchange
. the CEC is nt a very good user friendly comparison site to use, especially for someone new.
I have no bias against MSE. It is usually the first site I call on for many things, but trawling around the utilities for the best deals I would advise other methods.. For the final switch , use them for the small amount they now pay but others can pay much more on occasions
They want your email and personal details for a start where Uswitch/Ukpower is much easier to use and they don t need your email or accurate address to give full details of tariffs and overall costs.

Biggus_Dickus

DawnCrush wrote: »

It is not biased, unlike sadly the posts of some users here who really should know better.

Please read the article. It links to alternative Ofgem accredited websites (that give higher cashback/value in wine) than the CEC does.

And also even includes sources of even better cashback via comparison sites elsewhere (and possibly direct from the supplier)

The common theme is, to get yourself the best deal, consult an independent comparison siote that compares all the suppliers and tariffs.

The article does NOT say you have to join the CEC to get these tariffs.
(unless it is an MSM/MSE exclusive tariff - I don't think they have a Big Switch on currently)
In fact the CEC is one of the very few comparison sites that lists all suppliers and tariffs generally available by default, whether you can switch to them via the CEC or not.

The CEC purports to show whole of market but demonstrably does not. CEC is not what it once was IMHO.:(

Symbio Energy, currently offering the UKs cheapest ‘electricity only’ 12-months fixed tariff with £0 exit fees is one such glaring omission,..Symbio are nowhere to be found on the CEC listings yet they figure prominently on other sites,...Uswitch, Citizens Advice et al.

Biggus_Dickus

DawnCrush wrote: »

JJ Egan, you really find the above post by thorganby useful?
Despite it's obvious bias against this site, moneysavingexpert.com???

And you do not find my posts useful?

Sadly, I think that speaks volumes, eh? :cool:
(about yous, rather than the content of any post)

I agree!;
...my ‘Thank You’ ratio is only 46% and yet I’ve tried my best to be helpful at all times.

My posts are always ultra polite and I try not to offend anyone;

...so come on you ill mannered bunch of *****,...give me some more ‘Thank Yous’ or you can all just **** off. :mad:

thorganby

Biggus_Dickus wrote: »

I agree!;
...my ‘Thank You’ ratio is only 46% and yet I’ve tried my best to be helpful at all times.

My posts are always ultra polite and I try not to offend anyone;

...so come on you ill mannered bunch of *****,...give me some more ‘Thank Yous’ or you can all just **** off. :mad:

Don't worry Biggus Dickus, your thanks ratio is more than double that of the childish DawnCrush, who does not understand the concept of a discussion forum and simply reports posts that he disagrees with.

Note that no one person thinks that his posts in this thread merit thanks which speaks volumes.

I have thanked your post above but will not thank this post agreeing with him!

:beer: