Will the next generation be able to buy their own house?

Thrugelmir

lvader wrote: »

That's sounds like flexibility on your part.

Nope. Employer relocation triggered my move away from home territory. Thereafter a neccessity to work to earn a living. No such thing as a job for life.

Zero_Sum

westernpromise wrote: »

Because in London there are things to do besides drink, whereas oop north, there aren't.

Yaaaawwwwwwn

chucknorris

boomer69 wrote: »

We can afford to live there, just in 2 bed flats rather than four bed detached house with gardens and garages up here.

Personally I couldnt live anywhere the general population cant pass the time of day with each other.


The traffic (and standard of driving) is horrendous.


I live fifteen minutes from shopping, hospitals, restaurants etc, I can walk by the river for two miles in either direction, I might meet one other person. Along the Trent and Mersey I can walk as far as I like and can guarantee 85% of people pass the time of day.

I can drive as fast as I like on "B" roads, 'cos there are no coppers, and no cameras. I can be in Stoke, Derby, Leicester, Nottingham, or Birmingham in around an hour (I dont because they are dumps too.)
I breathe clean air and can sit in my garden and hear birdsong and the occasional lawn mower. If I need to go to London, its a half hour drive and 90 minutes on the train(god only knows why that isnt quick enough.)

Every Londoner I've met up here say they are glad they left and wouldnt dream of going back.


I really dont think people who live in London are much better than us carrot crunchers, but a good many think they are.
And why are the pubs empty by half eight ?

You don't have to live in London, there are lots of nice 4 bed detached houses in Surrey, sure they cost more than where you are, but what you probably haven't realised is that what they increase in value by is tax free! So if you later want to relocate elsewhere you can have a 'property value windfall'. Although I really can't see the day that I would move away from Surrey, unless it was to a warmer country during the winter.

I'm sorry that you live 15 mins from shopping and hospitals, but presumably you chose to live that far away from them. Couldn't you move closer to them, or perhaps move down to Surrey?

Zero_Sum

Cakeguts wrote: »

It would be interesting to know how many people still live in the town or city of village they were born in.



I don't.

How strict are you making it. I moved about 12 miles up the road from a small commuter town to neighbouring city. But its still roughly the same area.

People's OH's often come from neigbouring towns & villages, so when they move in together at least one has to relocate to a certain extent. These moves will be often shorter distance than from one side of London to another, (or even Southend & Stevenage as a certainer Londoner is claiming these as London) yet that would be just classed as remaining in London. Ditto for Manchester, with the likes of Bolton, Oldham & Wigan being claimed as just Manchester.

lisyloo

westernpromise wrote: »

Not near enough if your mother's 93 and lives on her own, and you're the only surviving child. That tethers you to half an hour away and you may need to get round there at the drop of a hat.

I totally agree that some people cannot move.
I would not move until those responsibilities are ended, but I’m in my 50s and that’s common in my age group.
Not everyone has those responsibilities and as you say not all siblings feel they need to live around the corner especially if the person has residential care.

I was not advocating emigration for everyone, just pointing out that travel is possible (even to other countries) for those with less regular contact.

Meeting those people did change my view, although I’d factor in costs for returning.

lisyloo

chucknorris wrote: »

You don't have to live in London, there are lots of nice 4 bed detached houses in Surrey

It is absolutely horrible standing up on trains everyday.
Some roles I work in don’t offer working from home at all.

Not sure if you saw the southern rail strikes but some people lost their jobs, didn’t see their children etc.

Each to their own, Ive no issue with people doing that if they want, but I’d rather have a shoe box in London if working in London.

I’ve got no issue with choice.

Two commutes (or one) also need to be factored in. It can be quite expensive especially if 2 people are commuting.

Zero_Sum

westernpromise wrote: »

I call bull5hit. You claim to live in the north - then you claim to have lived in a city.

Yeah cos theres no cities in the north.

You live in a bedsit with closed curtains, surrounded by chicken bones.
Londoners love chicken bones.

Barny1979

westernpromise wrote: »

I call bull5hit. You claim to live in the north - then you claim to have lived in a city.

Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, to name 3

Zero_Sum

Barny1979 wrote: »

Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, to name 3

Carlisle, Newcastle, Durham, Sunderland, York, Wakefield, Ripon, Salford, Sheffield, Preston, Hull to add a few more

Green_Bear

lisyloo wrote: »

I’m guessing you don’t live in London.
Most people do drink without food after work, the pubs are packed. This could be connected to the fact that most people get public transport and perhaps some prefer to avoid the rush hour.
Pretty much all the pubs do food but not great food.
The pubs are standing room only, noisy and spilled out onto the streets even in bad weather so very popular.

Obviously businesses will cater to whatever is sustainable.

If there are no pubs and gastro diners then there must be a call for it.

I’m not a big drinker and hate standing up in noisy pubs where I can’t hear but it’s a big difference that you can drink in London if you want to as there are transport options.

Yes.
This is a big difference, in my experience.
In London, there is a culture of going straight to the pub after work. Then getting public transport home at about 8pm.

Away from London, people tend to go straight home at 5pm - usually driving. Then go out later (if at all). People tend to live further from their workplaces these days.

I started work in the 1970s in Liverpool. After work everyone went to the pub. Every night. Then we all walked home.

Not one of those pubs is still open today. They are all flats, take aways, barbers, laundries, vaping shops, bookmakers, etc.