Parking Ticket - leagrave train station

parkiing

Hi Everyone,

I have seen many threads on parking tickets and whether to pay them or not but still do not know what to advise.

A car was parked at the local train station twice without purchasing a ticket. The keeper was issued a 'penalty notice by post to owner from Indigo Park solutions.'

This letter stated ' The Byelaws were made under section 219 of the Transport Act 20000 as amended under the Railways Act 2005, and an offence has been commited by breaching byelaw 14.'

A friend advised the keeper to ignore this and it doesn't need to be paid as they would not be taken to court etc it is simply a scare tactic. Since this letter the keeper has been chased by this company with the same letter a few times and now QDR solicitors have contacted stating they have been instructed by ZZPS limited who are acting on behalf of Saba Park solutions UK limited to recover the debt. They are threatening a CCJ and my friend is still insisting it does not need to be paid however i am not as convinced.

From what i have read if byelaw 14 is stated and it is a penalty notice then the keeper can be taken to court and is likely to lose due to this so should pay the fines and extra charges.

Can someone please simply confirm does this need to be paid or can the keeper continue to ignore them? Does the keeper have any exposure or risk of going to court or is it just a scam?

Also, the car in question is leased but the letters are coming to the keeper's home address. If in the case the keeper does not have to pay will they enforce the payment upon the return of the car??

Thanks so much for your help in advance.

Castle

Edit your post to remove the identity of the driver.

Fruitcake

Edit your post to remove information about who parked. Only ever refer to The Driver, The Keeper, and in your case, The Lessee, who are different people.

You should write to the lease company telling them you are dealing with this as lessee/hirer, and they must not pay this charge under any circumstances.
Normally the advice to ignore Indigo (now SABA) is correct (only) where byelaws apply, but as this is a lease car I believe you should write to the PPC telling them you are the lessee, but are not liable as the PoFA does not apply on non relevant land, therefore you are not liable.


It is imperative that the PPC never find out the identity of the driver (who can be liable) or owner (who may be liable).
Neither the registered keeper, day to day keeper, or lessee can be liable where railway byelaws apply.

waamo

The current advice is to ignore them. If you do get court papers come back for advice. So far multiple posters have reported this has "timed out". The offence times out after 6 months.

You need to prevent the lease company paying it though.

parkiing

Fruitcake wrote: »

Edit your post to remove information about who parked. Only ever refer to The Driver, The Keeper, and in your case, The Lessee, who are different people.

You should write to the lease company telling them you are dealing with this as lessee/hirer, and they must not pay this charge under any circumstances.
Normally the advice to ignore Indigo (now SABA) is correct (only) where byelaws apply, but as this is a lease car I believe you should write to the PPC telling them you are the lessee, but are not liable as the PoFA does not apply on non relevant land, therefore you are not liable.


It is imperative that the PPC never find out the identity of the driver (who can be liable) or owner (who may be liable).
Neither the registered keeper, day to day keeper, or lessee can be liable where railway byelaws apply.

Thanks for the response. Surely if the person who got the fine writes to the PPC they will then know who the driver is?

waamo

parkiing wrote: »

Thanks for the response. Surely if i write to the PPC they will then know who the driver is?

How? It could have been me driving. I'm insured to. You could have been a passenger. Write as an occupant of the vehicle.

parkiing

OK great thanks everyone appreciate your help really do! As instructed i will infrom the kepper to write to their leasing company and inform them not to pay either fine. Then will inform them to write a letter to the PPC telling them the keeper is the lessee, but is not liable to the ticket as the PoFA does not apply on non relevant land.

Hopefully either of the tickets wont have to be paid as this was a genuine error

Thanks!

KeithP

Your opening post needs further editing.

For example, the second paragraph should perhaps start something like...

The driver parked at the local train station...

And now the last sentence of your most recent post has done exactly the same thing. :eek:

Please take care with everything you write.
The parking companies trawl this forum just waiting for people to trip themselves up and can try and use your posts against you.

KeithP

Unfortunately you have now 'over edited' your opening post.

It was the keeper who "...was issued a 'penalty notice by post..."

The keeper and the driver are two different people.

Fruitcake

Post 7 needs editing and correcting. Do not do what you have written under any circumstances!

The driver is not involved and nobody should be telling the PPC the relationship between the driver and lessee.

The keeper writes to the lease company.
The keeper tells the PPC they are the lessee and is not liable for the reasons already given.
The driver sits in the corner and does nothing.

parkiing

Fruitcake wrote: »

Post 7 needs editing and correcting. Do not do what you have written under any circumstances!

The driver is not involved and nobody should be telling the PPC the relationship between the driver and lessee.

hope it is now fine?